Righteous Wrath Online Community

I feel like mining and crafting in the newest version and there are a lot of options open to us here, I'm not sure Tom is interested in hosting again but there are some other options available.

I would absolutely love to play on a new map.  I think I'd like the server hosted by one of us, because that way we can add in mods if we so desire.  Realms doesn't allow any mods.  I'm also assuming you'd wanna play the Java edition like we've been doing all along, rather than the bedrock edition (which works on Win10, phones, tablets, and xboxes)?  Java edition and Bedrock edition have different things in them and aren't interoperable, even through Realms.

As noted in another post bedrock also doesn't really have advanced self hosted server options yet.

I might be willing to host a server if needed, I think there are some docker containers floating around, I can probably just drop it on my NAS.. I have fairly dependable service here, not sure about my own time to commit to playing.

My kids all play bedrock edition however and I am not 100% sure I want to get them on to Java edition at this point.. Despite the lack of mods I fined the windows 10 bedrock client MUCH smoother performance wise than Java edition when I play with them. They might want to join the server.

I have some interest in playing, but I am fairly tired of mincraft as I have been playing on and off with my kids lately.

I can also keep a server up. the old one should still be up.. if its not, Whups?

Sounds like we want to host the Java version, who wants to get it rolling?

Tom, you willing to spin up a new map on your server, and keep it running?  We want it to be 1.13 all the way, baby!  I want to actually swim, not just jump through the deep water, while holding a shield and a trident and following a school of dolphins...

(getting a trident is pretty difficult)

I can probably figure something out.

I'm about to do some work on my firewall, so it won't be like RIGHT NOW. but perhaps in a few hours? or later today?

Quote from: Thorin on August 17, 2018, 10:14:38 PM
I want to actually swim, not just jump through the deep water, while holding a shield and a trident and following a school of dolphins...

Queue seed that has no ocean... LOL..

The one I am playing with my kids right now is mostly ocean.. but the new boats with ores and the dolphin speed boost make getting around long distances on water easier.

Don't forget that the water mechanics have changed.. water logged blocks change how some under water building mechanics work.

Quote from: Tom on August 18, 2018, 08:55:59 AM
I can probably figure something out.

I'm about to do some work on my firewall, so it won't be like RIGHT NOW. but perhaps in a few hours? or later today?

Yeah man, just let us know when it's available and how to connect to it.

Too bad Overviewer doesn't work with 1.13 :(

It's setup. new map. 1.13. Same address. old map is offline.

I picked this seed: https://minecraftseedhq.com/coastal-jungle-pyramid-shipwreck-seed/

Cool!  I'm jumping on with my son.  We'll explore, but we'll leave all the treasure in place (and put the treasure map back) for other people to also see it.

Quote from: Thorin on August 18, 2018, 12:50:36 PM
Too bad Overviewer doesn't work with 1.13 :(

https://github.com/overviewer/Minecraft-Overviewer/pull/1471

There is a new branch in progress that makes it work but it isn't all there. Apparently nearly everything is hard-coded to the old file format and in 1.13 a new dynamic format for worlds was created.. They are making it work by mapping the new back to the old.

Tom, thank you for starting the new map.  Can you please turn off mob griefing?  I keep having to fill in creeper holes.

Can do. When I'm back in lunix... or wait, I have putty installed. nm.

Looking at it, you should have been able to run: /gamerule mobGriefing false   

Dag yo! Thank you!!

Server appears to be offline.

Quote from: Tom on August 19, 2018, 07:54:38 AM
Looking at it, you should have been able to run: /gamerule mobGriefing false   

Oh, I didn't know I could issue game rules.  Didnt' think I was Op.

Quote from: Lazybones on August 19, 2018, 02:11:17 PM
Server appears to be offline.

It said it was offline for me, too, at least, it wouldn't show up as connectable.  Then I selected it and clicked the Refresh button and it turned green.  I've had that happen with my home MC server as well.

It was online earlier I built a little treetop "fort"

I actually had the same problem with the server list. It threw me for a loop when I was trying various addresses. I tried my mc.tomasu.{net/org} but it didn't work at all?? Maybe I forgot the loopback rule for that. But my local hostname worked for it AFTER I hit refresh.. before noticing that I was confused. How could it not be connecting when the stuff is running and on the right port etc... Ping worked, and a simple socket test worked etc. Silly mojang/microsoft.

Funny that theres a new-new launcher. It's now chrome based. go figure.

It's getting pretty built up around spawn already.

There's a Safe-T Hut filled with stuff and a wheat/carrot/potato farm next to it, a nice mine has been started, there's a cow/pig/sheep farm, there's a treetop village started (they took your idea and ran with it, Mr. Analog), there's a flattened out island just past the mine where there were three turtles (but at last visit they were gone, likely swimming around), and there's an enchantment table (with only three bookshelves so far).  We've also found three shipwrecks not too far away, and have been attacked by a trident-wielding Drowned at least once (it didn't go so well, BMan died, but at least it was ten blocks from the Safe-T Hut).  Also, remember that after three nights of not sleeping there's a chance Phantoms show up at night and attack you if you're outside (we've killed five so far).

Seriously, man, thanks for starting a new map!

Quote from: Thorin on August 20, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
It's getting pretty built up around spawn already.

There's a Safe-T Hut filled with stuff and a wheat/carrot/potato farm next to it, a nice mine has been started, there's a cow/pig/sheep farm, there's a treetop village started (they took your idea and ran with it, Mr. Analog), there's a flattened out island just past the mine where there were three turtles (but at last visit they were gone, likely swimming around), and there's an enchantment table (with only three bookshelves so far).  We've also found three shipwrecks not too far away, and have been attacked by a trident-wielding Drowned at least once (it didn't go so well, BMan died, but at least it was ten blocks from the Safe-T Hut).  Also, remember that after three nights of not sleeping there's a chance Phantoms show up at night and attack you if you're outside (we've killed five so far).

Seriously, man, thanks for starting a new map!

No problem :)

It's pretty low involvment for me, so I don't mind.

It's amazing how quickly it all came back, though I may have to reconfigure my controls I'm so used to pressing tab for my inventory from Fallout "E" seems strange now lol.

Once I build a bed I'm going to sail off and find an island too, that ocean is big and just begging for an underwater city (I'll have to find the new techniques for that)

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 20, 2018, 01:12:41 PM
It's amazing how quickly it all came back, though I may have to reconfigure my controls I'm so used to pressing tab for my inventory from Fallout "E" seems strange now lol.

Once I build a bed I'm going to sail off and find an island too, that ocean is big and just begging for an underwater city (I'll have to find the new techniques for that)

I did some mapping and posted up a map that shows the location of the next closest land mass near the safe-T-hut.

FYI if you want to help with mapping here are some things to know:

- full details on how maps work https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Map
- maps only map a preset grid, be sure you move out side that grid before starting a map
- After you start a map you can change its zoom.. The maps I have posted are zoomed 2 times.. IE, map, map surrounded with paper once then a second time to get the current scale
- cloning a map is as easy as putting it in the right spot then putting in a blank one in the crafting table
- map markers are done via banners, https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Banner to make the named one, I crafted the banner then put it in the anvil to name it.. then I opened my map and it updated.

The top of maps are always minecraft NORTH.. I have rotated the ones on the item frames to be relative to north.

The N-Chantment building now has a full 15 bookcases so we can enchant up to level 30.  An unfortunate bed incident caused me to suffocate in a wall that I couldn't get out of, and I dropped from level 36 back to level 0, so now I'm trying to level up back to 30 to try and get a Fortune III pick.  The mine has a bunch of diamonds exposed but not yet mined, I want to use the Fortune pick so we get more diamonds out of it.

There is also a nether portal, and I've perfect-matched the X and Z axis so that there's no weird linking issues.  Also, I've ensured you don't need to turn after teleporting to/from the nether.  The nether portal is at Y=112 in the nether, Y=63 in the overworld.  Nice and high to stay above the ghasts, unless and until you actually want to get down lower.  I'll probably dig a shaft down and throw ladders in it at some point.

And I've been clearing trees and bush, but I'm trying to make sure to stay away from where the treetop houses are being built.

Man, I wish there was a mapper working.  Or even just Optifine.

There must be a mapping mod that works, I'll do some digging later.

The problem is that the way the map is stored has changed for 1.13, so all the tools need to have their underlying map-reading code updated.

Optifine is at 80%, according to its site.  That'll at least let my computer run better.

Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Aww dang

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Quote from: Thorin on August 21, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Sounds like my jam. If I had the time. loool. I have decent code for the last map format. I imagine the new format would probably be more sane, one would hope.

Quote from: Tom on August 21, 2018, 06:47:05 PM

Quote from: Thorin on August 21, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Sounds like my jam. If I had the time. loool. I have decent code for the last map format. I imagine the new format would probably be more sane, one would hope.

It couldn't be less (jinx!!)

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 22, 2018, 08:28:29 AM

Quote from: Tom on August 21, 2018, 06:47:05 PM

Quote from: Thorin on August 21, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Sounds like my jam. If I had the time. loool. I have decent code for the last map format. I imagine the new format would probably be more sane, one would hope.

It couldn't be less (jinx!!)

Less my jam? ;)

But come on, if they are going to break something it makes sense to actually think about making the new thing less stupid than the last. Of course noone said Mojang or MS made sense.

Quote from: Tom on August 22, 2018, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 22, 2018, 08:28:29 AM

Quote from: Tom on August 21, 2018, 06:47:05 PM

Quote from: Thorin on August 21, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Sounds like my jam. If I had the time. loool. I have decent code for the last map format. I imagine the new format would probably be more sane, one would hope.

It couldn't be less (jinx!!)

Less my jam? ;)

But come on, if they are going to break something it makes sense to actually think about making the new thing less stupid than the last. Of course noone said Mojang or MS made sense.

I meant less of a mess, you're more capable than notch or whoever designed the original world gen lol

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Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 22, 2018, 09:13:20 AM

Quote from: Tom on August 22, 2018, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 22, 2018, 08:28:29 AM

Quote from: Tom on August 21, 2018, 06:47:05 PM

Quote from: Thorin on August 21, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Overviewer is switching from Google Maps to Leaflet, and are offering a bounty ($700USD according to their twitter) for whoever wants to re-write the map-reading part of the code.

Sounds like my jam. If I had the time. loool. I have decent code for the last map format. I imagine the new format would probably be more sane, one would hope.

It couldn't be less (jinx!!)

Less my jam? ;)

But come on, if they are going to break something it makes sense to actually think about making the new thing less stupid than the last. Of course noone said Mojang or MS made sense.

I meant less of a mess, you're more capable than notch or whoever designed the original world gen lol

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Oh, I must have misread. Yeah, it'd be hard for them to make a new format that makes less sense. The old format was a Notch exclusive (though looked similar to the torrent file format), and then they extended it to add more tile types since the original format used a single byte to store some properties of tiles. Turns out 256 isn't enough.And their hack-around was to add a second section with another byte per tile/block which you then have to shift+mask together to deal with tiles/blocks with larger ids. GRAH.

I really want to get back to my map loader/renderer. It was almost walkable. But I had issues with culling. Drawing every single face on every single block in the loaded world is a non-starter.

I hope the new format helps with streaming the map data. before you had to load an entire chunk at a time, or if you're very clever, you could MAYBE stream in chunk slices. MAYBE. but I think each chunk is compressed together... And decompressing slices can only work if they allowed for that at compression time. soooo.. yeah....

It's been my assumption and understanding that they've been transitioning the java implementation towards the Native versions. I imagine eventually they'll be able to share a lot of stuff. then they'll get rid of the java version.

I think the change is that they made block storage a variable size format now?  Not sure on the details, but for sure it completely changed how tools read the blocks.

Server needs an update looks like 1.13.1 is out

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 26, 2018, 12:43:42 PM
Server needs an update looks like 1.13.1 is out

The launcher will let you create a profile with a FIXED / old mincraft version, it isn't all that intuitive.

- Launch options
- Add new and set the version to 1.13
- Save
- To back to any o the news/Skins/Settings tabs
- The play button will have an arrow that will let you set the new profile.

I know, I ended up playing today for a bit. I really hate this jungle lol I need to find a flat place to build

Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 26, 2018, 05:46:28 PM
I know, I ended up playing today for a bit. I really hate this jungle lol I need to find a flat place to build

I have mapped the next closest land mass..

I was thinking of digging a nether shortcut to it.

Bah... screwed up the coordinats on my first portal.. don't have diamond pick to correct it.

Created a new correct tunnel, just need the obsidian to open the portal it SHOULD land over the plains.. The nether level is HIGH up so if created from their it will be up in the sky when the other end generates.

There should be obsidian in the Safe-T Hut, as well as a diamond pickaxe.

Quote from: Thorin on August 26, 2018, 11:21:11 PM
There should be obsidian in the Safe-T Hut, as well as a diamond pickaxe.

I found the obsidian but not the diamond pickaxe, hence how I was able to build a portal but not fix it.

The diamond pick was in the right-most chest.  I'm out camping and have nothing to do and a giant data plan for cheap, so I went online and fixed it up for you.  I removed the portal (on the overworld and in the nether) for your wrong coordinates, then figured out the perfect-match coordinates for the new one you wanted to the plains and set those up.

I also built a nether portal that leads to a savannah with horses and a couple of llamas.  The portal is at 40,80 in the nether, 320,640 in the overworld.

I thought 112 in the nether would be safe to dig tunnels, but man, there's a lot of places that I was digging tunnels where there suddenly wasn't any floor!

Quote from: Thorin on August 27, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The diamond pick was in the right-most chest.  I'm out camping and have nothing to do and a giant data plan for cheap, so I went online and fixed it up for you.  I removed the portal (on the overworld and in the nether) for your wrong coordinates, then figured out the perfect-match coordinates for the new one you wanted to the plains and set those up.

I also built a nether portal that leads to a savannah with horses and a couple of llamas.  The portal is at 40,80 in the nether, 320,640 in the overworld.

I thought 112 in the nether would be safe to dig tunnels, but man, there's a lot of places that I was digging tunnels where there suddenly wasn't any floor!

I noticed the same as per my bridge to the wrong one and the dead end to the open.

Also noticed there are very small lava pockets even as high up as we are.

Yeah, lava pockets were always there, even in the high elevations.  But 112 was supposed to be guaranteed netherrack, I wonder if they changed that?

Quote from: Thorin on August 27, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Yeah, lava pockets were always there, even in the high elevations.  But 112 was supposed to be guaranteed netherrack, I wonder if they changed that?

I ran into at least two lava pockets just digging those tunnels so keep an eye out.

Heyyyyyy, so...  Do we want to set a time to be online, for those that like to see others around?

Quote from: Thorin on September 21, 2018, 04:33:13 PM
Heyyyyyy, so...  Do we want to set a time to be online, for those that like to see others around?

My kids have been on and off during the days because they can.. We have been on most evenings this week, even later than the kids are supposed to. However they can't do that as much,  today we had issued waking up in time for something.

There is now a large turtle farm / pen near spawn.

If we wanted to be nerdy we probably could scrape the server logs and send notifications outside the game when people are online / offline and track the busiest times to self organize around that.

Other than that Tuesday Thursday, and Friday early evenings you probably will not see us due to other activities..

(http://status.mclive.eu/mc.tomasu.org/mc.tomasu.org/banner.png)

I found a free server status banner.. I put it in the server status post so you can now tell if anyone is online.

Quote from: Lazybones on September 22, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
I found a free server status banner.. I put it in the server status post so you can now tell if anyone is online.

Neat! And there's no personal information there, so like people can't stalk individual users. I like it.

I was worried about advertising which users were online on the internet. Made me nervous.

Quote from: Tom on September 23, 2018, 10:27:02 AM

Quote from: Lazybones on September 22, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
I found a free server status banner.. I put it in the server status post so you can now tell if anyone is online.

Neat! And there's no personal information there, so like people can't stalk individual users. I like it.

I was worried about advertising which users were online on the internet. Made me nervous.

I found code if you wanted to implement your own.

https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/status/

Quote from: Lazybones on September 23, 2018, 12:20:56 PM

Quote from: Tom on September 23, 2018, 10:27:02 AM

Quote from: Lazybones on September 22, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
I found a free server status banner.. I put it in the server status post so you can now tell if anyone is online.

Neat! And there's no personal information there, so like people can't stalk individual users. I like it.

I was worried about advertising which users were online on the internet. Made me nervous.

I found code if you wanted to implement your own.

https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/status/

I think it makes more sense for it to be hosted externally to my setup.

Quote from: Tom on September 23, 2018, 10:27:02 AM
I was worried about advertising which users were online on the internet. Made me nervous.

If you enable the query function in the server config it is possible to get a list of players online.

Quote from: Lazybones on September 23, 2018, 07:40:31 PM

Quote from: Tom on September 23, 2018, 10:27:02 AM
I was worried about advertising which users were online on the internet. Made me nervous.

If you enable the query function in the server config it is possible to get a list of players online.

What i should have said is i dont think its good to have a public list of who is on the server at any time. Thar be stalkers out there.

Quote from: Tom on September 23, 2018, 08:53:33 PM
What i should have said is i dont think its good to have a public list of who is on the server at any time. Thar be stalkers out there.

They want our sexy voxels...

But yeah it's a good idea to keep things as private as possible  :shhh:

FYI the Tapatalk mobile client caches the status images so it does not show the current state.  You need to view the image / post in a browser to be sure it is current.