Here's how to REMOVE the GIANT web search garbage from your new tab screen
On the address bar type : chrome://flags/
Disable "Enable Instant Extended API"
Why they dick with this stuff I'll never know...
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Here's how to REMOVE the GIANT web search garbage from your new tab screen
On the address bar type : chrome://flags/
Disable "Enable Instant Extended API"
Why they dick with this stuff I'll never know...
I stopped using Chrome because there appears to be ZERO change control... Much like other google products they just keep randomly trying stuff...
Went back to Firefox about a year ago and am currently considering Firefox Long Term Support releases as our Company standard browser.
I am more and more inclined to make the switch to something else as well
I started using Chrome precisely because I wanted to get away from random app-breaking updates.
So what's a simple/clean browser these days?
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2013, 04:31:38 PM
I am more and more inclined to make the switch to something else as well
I started using Chrome precisely because I wanted to get away from random app-breaking updates.
So what's a simple/clean browser these days?
The big three all have similar look and feel now with slim tabs and address bars. As I said, I like Firefox.
Yep, all I want is a very basic experience (with adBlock added of course)
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2013, 04:49:17 PM
Yep, all I want is a very basic experience (with adBlock added of course)
Not sure if they reached feature parity later on but for the longest time adBlock Plus on Firefox had superior features due to the plugin system allowing deeper integration.
Edit: If you want great adblocking your options are Chrome, Firefox or Opera.. or some compatible clone
I tried switching back to firefox a while back, but I just cant do it. It feels slugish and due to my useage patterns, I have to close firefox completely to free up any memory what so ever.
But then, lately chrome has been screwing up enough when using a lot of memory that I end up having to restart the entire thing anyhow... So I suppose thats starting to become a moot point. But the slow feeling? Efhh. Oh, also when one tab is locking up (*cough*facebook*cough*) the entire rest of the browser is locked up. I also can not stand that.
And it seems firefox decided that they will not be implementing per tab processes. They couldn't make it work without a major overhaul and mozilla decided to spend the money elsewhere.
Quote from: Tom on September 24, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I tried switching back to firefox a while back, but I just cant do it. It feels slugish and due to my useage patterns, I have to close firefox completely to free up any memory what so ever.
But then, lately chrome has been screwing up enough when using a lot of memory that I end up having to restart the entire thing anyhow... So I suppose thats starting to become a moot point. But the slow feeling? Efhh. Oh, also when one tab is locking up (*cough*facebook*cough*) the entire rest of the browser is locked up. I also can not stand that.
And it seems firefox decided that they will not be implementing per tab processes. They couldn't make it work without a major overhaul and mozilla decided to spend the money elsewhere.
When was the last time you tried firefox for the memory use issue? Some of the biggest changes in recent releases where around that... They didn't implement per tab processing (which sometimes uses WAY more memory) but they did sandbox the plugins so embedded items crash in their little dom window instead of taking down the browser most of the time.
If you move your Firefox Temp folder to a ram disk it will blow the doors off of Chrome (even if you do the same for Chrome). Actually the speed of the back button is amazing on Firefox for all but sites that forbid caching since FF keeps the rendered state.
Quote from: Lazybones on September 24, 2013, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Tom on September 24, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I tried switching back to firefox a while back, but I just cant do it. It feels slugish and due to my useage patterns, I have to close firefox completely to free up any memory what so ever.
But then, lately chrome has been screwing up enough when using a lot of memory that I end up having to restart the entire thing anyhow... So I suppose thats starting to become a moot point. But the slow feeling? Efhh. Oh, also when one tab is locking up (*cough*facebook*cough*) the entire rest of the browser is locked up. I also can not stand that.
And it seems firefox decided that they will not be implementing per tab processes. They couldn't make it work without a major overhaul and mozilla decided to spend the money elsewhere.
When was the last time you tried firefox for the memory use issue? Some of the biggest changes in recent releases where around that... They didn't implement per tab processing (which sometimes uses WAY more memory) but they did sandbox the plugins so embedded items crash in their little dom window instead of taking down the browser most of the time.
If you move your Firefox Temp folder to a ram disk it will blow the doors off of Chrome (even if you do the same for Chrome). Actually the speed of the back button is amazing on Firefox for all but sites that forbid caching since FF keeps the rendered state.
I wasn't paying too much attention to memory use, as I knew firefox was already going to use less memory. What I couldn't stand was how much slower it felt. And how attached to chrome's features I've become :( I'd probably have to switch to firefox on mobile and my media box to get the awesome back. (I added a new bookmark on my bookmark bar to my laptop, and it instantly added it to my media box's bar which is where I wanted it to begin with ;D)
But Chrome's memory use problems have seemed to increase significantly. I've caught it using >4 up to 8+ GB. It might be worth another attempt to switch. We'll see.
Did they also fix individual pages lagging other pages out, or locking up the entire browser?
Actually, thats another issue thats been bugging me with chrome, more and more lately, the entire freaking browser locks up for many seconds at a time. All windows stop rendering any content. Pissing me off.
Quote from: Tom on September 24, 2013, 08:21:41 PM
What I couldn't stand was how much slower it felt. And how attached to chrome's features I've become :( I'd probably have to switch to firefox on mobile and my media box to get the awesome back. (I added a new bookmark on my bookmark bar to my laptop, and it instantly added it to my media box's bar which is where I wanted it to begin with ;D)
Firefox has this as a native feature as well now with Mozilla Sync, or you could use Xmarks, which is what I uses and it works across IE, Firefox and Chrome.
Yeah, I was using mozilla sync for a while. and probably xmarks before that..
But do they all sync passwords and form data as well? chrome syncs /everything/.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534.html
Recent tests, its a mixed bag, but based on comments Firefox SMOKED the other browsers on memory efficiency with large numbers of open tabs, and reliability by a long shot in this set of tests..
It also scored very well beating chrome in many of the performance tests.. but not all.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Why they dick with this stuff I'll never know...
1. cuz obviously nobody opens a new tab wanting to see readable-sized snapshots of their most common 8 sites, no, of course they always want to just SEARCH! -- duh... ::)
2. THANKS!
3. Firefox seems to bog down with Flash (but then again here at work doesn't seem to be the most up to date version, and we're "managed desktops" so can't do it myself gotta wait until a Package GAH!)
4. Chrome kicks ass for most complex/time-consuming Javascript stuff, and since that's what a lot of my bookmarklets that I use all the time need to do, I am sticking with the Google monster ... but for sure disabling the thing mentioned in OP -- did I mention THANKS!?
5. just disabled it, yay -- and skimmed through the other "features" -- wtf is this? (https://www.google.com/search?q=chrome+Script+Bubble+experimental+toolbar+UI) (ah -- answer here (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chrome-Is-Getting-a-quot-Script-Bubble-quot-Button-to-Monitor-Unruly-Extensions-297781.shtml).)
No problemo man
It was really jarring, I mean I use the location bar to search all the time (ever since they melded it with the old search bar that used to be in the top right that you could easily change search engine without going into the gear icon), I don't know why anyone would need a big honkin' Google homepage on their new tab screen, particularly if it loads some humongous "doodle" (which it's supposed to be able to do)
and another thing (because grumpy old man rant), the doodles have been getting more and more out of control. I don't often go to the Google homepage (unless I want to see auto-complete for a search!) AND I don't mind most doodles but occasionally they'll have a doodle in flash or HTML5 and it's just a pig on my already overburdened machine. I'm in a pinch trying to plumb the depths of some bug but I want to see if there are hints in the auto-complete I don't want to be sitting there waiting for some virtual pendulum load, like what?
(http://i.imgur.com/mm0wSMq.jpg)
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 25, 2013, 11:13:34 AM
the doodles have been getting more and more out of control. I don't often go to the Google homepage (unless I want to see auto-complete for a search!) AND I don't mind most doodles but occasionally they'll have a doodle in flash or HTML5 and it's just a pig on my already overburdened machine. I'm in a pinch trying to plumb the depths of some bug but I want to see if there are hints in the auto-complete I don't want to be sitting there waiting for some virtual pendulum load, like what?
holy crap YES that ALSO grinds my gears -- especially on my 3-year-old Android phone! I stopped using the "mobile" google a year ago because it somehow took forever to finish loading ... and now I'm considering going back just because of things like ^ this ^ . "Don't be even attempting anymore to not be at least semi-evil" >:(
It's just annoying.
One of my absolute favourite parts about Google from the beginning was the simplicity of everything.
Just a box to type criteria in and a go button, then a list of results. Amazing!
I can recall what other search engines looked like back in the day, all glooped up with junk and it was like here's a company that "gets it". New features have come along over time, some good (like reverse image search!) some questionable (I still don't see the point to having a bar at the top that links crap I'm logged into like GMail) and some downright horrible.
In the "top 4" comparison article above, there's a mention of a good subjective test -- just load up HuffPo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/) and see which seems quicker or less sluggish ... since that site is the poster child for the kind of crap-filled crap that is filling up the internet nowadays.
So true...
I think I'm completely agreeing with this thread's sentiment.
Google STOP @%&#ING BREAKING THINGS. GOD DAMN IT.
I see someone has been "upgraded" with extreme prejudice.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 25, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
I see someone has been "upgraded" with extreme prejudice.
Not at all. I use debian packages, I can upgrade when I want. Everything else is broken though. now, even after completely killing the damn thing, its misbehaving. I can't stand it anymore.
Ugh, yep time for a new browser methinks.
Google -- 15 years ago (http://www.google.com/search?q=Google+In+1998) #simplerTimes*
Other discussions/stories about the above "easter egg" here (http://www.google.com/search?q=google+in+1998&ct=google-in-1998&biw=1430&bih=928&dpr=1).
*heck, even their DOODLES were simpler -- http://www.google.com/doodles/burning-man-festival
then again, back then there was no Google Underwater View (http://www.google.com/maps/views/streetview/oceans?gl=us&hl=en-us).
You'll know it's REALLY over when gratuitous links to unwanted services/advertising appear on the home page
(http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9796.0;attach=2233)
...oh
I must be missing something, I don't see where the link is?
Quote from: Tom on September 27, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
I must be missing something, I don't see where the link is?
List of things I don't go to the Google Search Page for:
-Play (store/apps)
-News
-Mail
-Drive
-Calendar
-"More"
-Google+
It's not as cluttered as the old Yahoo homepage used to be but all the same stupidity is there "hey we have all this space, let's put a bunch of links to services we want to push" type management thinking.
If people really wanted a portal type interface they would have been using iGoogle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGoogle ) OH WAIT! Some people are (like my mom) but Google is pulling the plug on Nov 1st!
bwah bwuh
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 27, 2013, 02:20:29 PM
If people really wanted a portal type interface they would have been using iGoogle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGoogle ) OH WAIT! Some people are (like my mom) but Google is pulling the plug on Nov 1st!
bwah bwuh
"iGoogle will not be available after November 1, 2013. Learn more. (https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2664197)"
meh.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 27, 2013, 02:20:29 PM
Quote from: Tom on September 27, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
I must be missing something, I don't see where the link is?
List of things I don't go to the Google Search Page for:
-Play (store/apps)
-News
-Mail
-Drive
-Calendar
-"More"
-Google+
It's not as cluttered as the old Yahoo homepage used to be but all the same stupidity is there "hey we have all this space, let's put a bunch of links to services we want to push" type management thinking.
If people really wanted a portal type interface they would have been using iGoogle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGoogle ) OH WAIT! Some people are (like my mom) but Google is pulling the plug on Nov 1st!
bwah bwuh
In Chrome, I installed the extension Black Bar Removal. It's free. No more black bar. A pretty easy fix to a problem I didn't even expect to have based on Google's original lightweight search page.
I know I can be really picky with stuff like this but darn it I love functional minimalism.
*le sigh*
If it helps, that black bar is going away.
And just swapped my laptop over to iceweasel 24. We'll see how it goes.
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." ;D
Quote from: Tom on September 28, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
And just swapped my laptop over to iceweasel 24. We'll see how it goes.
I'm proud to say that my kids actually know what browser that is.
Back when my drives were dying due to a bad power supply, I used a Linux distro on a CD and it included Iceweasel. Took 'em a while to realize that was a play of words on Firefox.
And a firefox is actually a red panda (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_panda).
Heh, good on them :)
black bar gone:
(http://i.imgur.com/tgu3uWK.png)
Chrome continues to be a piece of @%&#, I've noticed some significant performance problems on my XP box using Chrome and discovered this insidious "rich notification" feature
I turned it off (plus a bunch of other touch related garbage I don't want) by going to the @%&#ing non-GUI-mapped flag settings
chrome://flags/
Gettin' sick of this @%&#
I have been having issues with Firefox under windows 8.1 as well lately.
Both browsers have gotten into the bloat for bloat's sake game. I'm rather sick of it. we need a new "Fast and light" firefox. what firefox originally was.
All I want is a lightweight browser with AdBlock, I don't need anything else in a browser
I would like to have browser sync as well. but thats about it. browser sync and adblock. and dev tools. ;D
Quote from: Tom on December 06, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
I would like to have browser sync as well. but thats about it. browser sync and adblock. and dev tools. ;D
Even if "sync" wasn't built in, what would be sufficient is if the addons, extensions, configuration details, search-engine-keyword-thingies, etc. and even bookmarks were
ALL stored locally in a single folder that you could easily set to whatever you want (and thus put On The Cloud, or in a roaming profile, or on a USB drive, or whatever). That would be ideal (on top of a bloat-free modern browser).
Quote from: Darren Dirt on December 06, 2013, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: Tom on December 06, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
I would like to have browser sync as well. but thats about it. browser sync and adblock. and dev tools. ;D
Even if "sync" wasn't built in, but ALL of the addons, configurations, search-engine-keyword-thingies, and even bookmarks were in a single folder that you could easily configure (and thus put On The Cloud, or in a roaming profile, or on a USB drive, or whatever). That would be ideal (on top of a bloat-free modern browser).
I am super lazy.
Everyone has a different "AND" that is why we are where we are today.
Also some of the core web standards are forcing the browsers to be a lot more than before... The latest web video / conferencing APIs require device access and video processing abilities.
The trouble I have with a lot of this stuff is that even now HTML 5 standards are being supported inconsistently across browsers and pointless features like tray notifications and history results in the location bar get added for no reason at all
Meanwhile there are bugs galore in the rendering and script engines that need to get dealt with across the board on a variety of platforms.
Quote from: Lazybones on December 06, 2013, 03:15:49 PM
Everyone has a different "AND" that is why we are where we are today.
Just make it easy for the user to go to a SINGLE folder and go "select all" and copy-paste to a new machine's same-place and voila they get the same experience. That's all I'm asking for. And letting the user choose that folder path = just makes sense, it ain't the mid 1990s anymore, even MICROSOFT lets you choose the default path for a lot of stuff in their apps...
Well, I've had enough abuse, Chrome 33 broke me
Firefox is SO GOOOOOD
It's been a long time and I am impressed
I was running chrome unstable for a while. I just couldn't deal with the added instability and the changes to the start/blank page. I use that stuff and now its gone...
I just don't know what google is thinking sometimes. I'm still running 32 at the moment. if 33 is still junk when debian switches to it, then I probably go back to iceweasel. Already using iceweasel for work...
Let's just say you're lucky to still be on 32
33 is REALLY that bad. I thought it was my computer bogging down, turns out it was actually Chrome 33 being horrific
Yeah, like i said I was on unstable for a while, which is now 33... 32 is quite a bit more stable and isn't quite so boggy. I had assumed it was because i was running the unstable branch. nope. its just google's penchant for not giving a @%&#.
Exactly why I threw up my hands today finally
I've been a user for 6 years and I've had enough, it hit it's peak a few years ago but now it's utterly slow and horrible and doesn't offer anything beneficial
- Firefox has focused on memory management to the point that it should always be less then the multi-instance chrome
- Generally more stable release cycles that don't break working stuff very ofen
- Long term support releases available
- STILL has superior plugins.. Firebug and Adblock Plus (fairly sure the Chrome version still does not have feature parity)
ONE word of warning however since you are JUST now thinking of switching to Firefox, the NEXT release will have a big UI change... BE WARNED!
Quote from: Mr. Analog on February 26, 2014, 10:16:04 PM
Let's just say you're lucky to still be on 32
33 is REALLY that bad. I thought it was my computer bogging down, turns out it was actually Chrome 33 being horrific
At work here I am apparently on 33 (I installed it myself in my local profile, so I can actually update it on my locked-down machine!) and I don't know of this bogging-down stuff you mention.
Then again, maybe I just write off all slowness and instability on Service Alberta doing its usual terribad job at keeping the IT infrastructure up and running consistently...
Quote from: Lazybones on February 26, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
- Firefox has focused on memory management to the point that it should always be less then the multi-instance chrome
- Generally more stable release cycles that don't break working stuff very ofen
- Long term support releases available
- STILL has superior plugins.. Firebug and Adblock Plus (fairly sure the Chrome version still does not have feature parity)
ONE word of warning however since you are JUST now thinking of switching to Firefox, the NEXT release will have a big UI change... BE WARNED!
I'm already liking what I see and since I'm getting back into a new UI I'm not that worried about it. I started using it last night pretty hard, the only gripe I have is when you are on a YouTube page it seems to eat shortcut commands (may be set to use Flash rather than HTML 5? not sure)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on February 27, 2014, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on February 26, 2014, 10:16:04 PM
Let's just say you're lucky to still be on 32
33 is REALLY that bad. I thought it was my computer bogging down, turns out it was actually Chrome 33 being horrific
At work here I am apparently on 33 (I installed it myself in my local profile, so I can actually update it on my locked-down machine!) and I don't know of this bogging-down stuff you mention.
Then again, maybe I just write off all slowness and instability on Service Alberta doing its usual terribad job at keeping the IT infrastructure up and running consistently...
When I do artwork I run on my venerable XP machine which isn't the beefiest thing in the world but when I already have memory heavy apps running (like Photoshop) but I usually keep a few tabs open so I can chat to people via social media, forums, etc and the difference between running Chrome 33 and Firefox was immense.
I thought it was getting close to retire my old machine but in fact it was Chrome gobbling up everything and more. The funny thing as well is if one tab got locked up it would lock up all Chrome processes (even ones in other windows).
So I'm back on Firefox, it's BETTER
FASTER
HARDER
WORK IT WORK IT WORK IT
Quote from: Mr. Analog on February 27, 2014, 10:03:49 AM
When I do artwork I run on my venerable XP machine which isn't the beefiest thing in the world but when I already have memory heavy apps running (like Photoshop) but I usually keep a few tabs open so I can chat to people via social media, forums, etc and the difference between running Chrome 33 and Firefox was immense.
I thought it was getting close to retire my old machine but in fact it was Chrome gobbling up everything and more.
Quick test just now on my work PC... Task Manager::Physical Memory:: Free=1157MB
no Chrome running:
1157MBLaunch Chrome and only go to this ( http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php?topic=9796.0 ) page:
Task Manager:
788MB1157-788 equals ... carry the two ... plus six... equals HOLY @%&# WHY SO MUCH RAM (369MB!) TO RENDER A SINGLE SIMPLE FORUM PAGE?
Because all of chrome is loaded in a single combined memory space. Internet Explorer is moduler - kill Internet Explorer and watch Explorer get all confused for a bit... . Firefox can get the same way as Chrome over time, but usually fixes a bit when a new version is installed.
The only one of the three that updates without requiring new registry keys, new folder structures or new file pointers is Chrome... you also pay for that in resourcing as well I would guess.
Chrome runs a near full instance for each tab. Firefox sandboxes most things but does not.
In a multi tab shoot out the combined memory of all chrome instances should be much greater than Firefox. They where headed the same direction as chrome but changed.
As Mel pointed out IE hides memory use in common services and dlls. The browser instance memory is almost completely separate from the window that you see in task manager using very little memory.
I was going to say, part of the problem is you are running a new instance on each tab, you can kill an individual tab process and it will be ok (good luck finding which tab is what). What I find messed up is one tab can still block all the others, so I don't know what shared processes there are between instances but it's easy from one tab to lock up the rest (on 33 anyway).
At any rate, it's half baked and I'm done. Still posting from Chrome on my laptop here but that's mostly just reflex.
It's sad really, when I made the move to Chrome the downside was alway memory, but the gains were speed, a clean UI and reliability... now that those are all broken I'm done with this, there is no benefit to using Chrome at all.
I banish it to the land of wind and ghosts
Yay, google updated the linux debian stable package to 33! WOO!
"Enjoy"
So I switched back to firefox not too long after the debian 33 switch. But man, firefox is just as annoying. Facebook causes the entire thing to lock up for a few seconds at a time. Something seems to be causing connections to take forever to happen.
It's aggravating. I want the old chrome and firefox back.
So.... Ice Weasel?
I still remember the day my son figured out The Fire Fox -> Ice Weasel connection...
Quote from: Thorin on April 18, 2014, 03:29:53 AM
So.... Ice Weasel?
I still remember the day my son figured out The Fire Fox -> Ice Weasel connection...
It is iceweasel, but its the same code, so I just call it firefox to keep from confusing people. Using either ff or iw is the same.
Not seeing those issue under windows... or my Ubuntu box..
Do you have an example of a site this happens on?
Maybe I'm just overdoing it. I tend to have multiple windows with MANY tabs open in each. A few are js heavy, like Facebook and gmail. Either way it wasn't a big problem for chrome prior to 33, and wasn't at all a few versions before that.
Ff just seems to not be able to handle the load. I wonder if I can force 1 process per window... Dunno if its profile handling likes sharing like that.
New firefox look and feel was just releases.. Even more Chrome like?
I've been finding Firefox does NOT like my usage pattern. It gets soooo slow and laggy. Chrome might be @%&# but it handles it a bit better.
Either I haven't gotten it yet or haven't noticed :)
Will report later
As for resource usage on Windows it's still be the best. I can actually keep Photoshop and my browser open at the same time (gasp!)
I'm not unhappy at all with its memory usage. it does rather good. It's using about 5-8GB ram (5GB res, 8GB virt) at the moment, but I have an absolute fsck-ton of windows and tabs open. chrome probably would have been unusable long before this. It's odd, after it uses about 8GB ram, it starts to really mess up.
Unfortunately one or more of the tabs are js heavy apps (*cough*facebook*cough*) and they like to use a bunch of cpu and leak memory. It tends to make the entire browser slow after a while. Like typing into text fields, including the url bar lag, switching tabs lags.. etc. It annoys the crap out of me.
You should use the Facebook app and just make sure your phone is WiFi
I kind of like the app better anyway
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 29, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
Either I haven't gotten it yet or haven't noticed :)
If you go under help / about you can kick off the update.
You will notice a big change.. the Orange firefox button left is gone and a google chrome like settings menu is now on the right
Well at least none of us are using Internet Explorer.
Apparently they're trying to make it look like Chrome which I find amusing
If people want the Chrome non-UI they can just download Chrome. Oddly enough there is
already a Firefox Add-In that brings back the old GUI
Quote from: Thorin on April 29, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
Well at least none of us are using Internet Explorer.
I'd use it more if it didn't suck so bad at nearly
everything
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 29, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Apparently they're trying to make it look like Chrome which I find amusing
If people want the Chrome non-UI they can just download Chrome. Oddly enough there is already a Firefox Add-In that brings back the old GUI
Quote from: Thorin on April 29, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
Well at least none of us are using Internet Explorer.
I'd use it more if it didn't suck so bad at nearly everything
I think Thorin is referring to the fact that ALL versions of IE have an open un-patched critical vulnerability, and there is an exploit in the wild already attacking versions 9,10 and 11 users.
FYI for those that haven't updated here is the official Firefox UI change announcement
https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2014/04/mozilla-introduces-the-most-customizable-firefox-ever-with-an-elegant-new-design/
Yes, that's what I was referring to :) Got the corporate email about it, but I already knew. Unfortunately our intranet works best on IE :( But any external websites I go to, I visit using Chrome (98%) or Firefox (2%).
You know, I don't know that my kids even know how to start up Internet Explorer. I don't think they recognize the icon. We've been a Firefox/Chrome/occasionally-IceWeasel family since my oldest first started using the computer heavily.
No, I know all about the exploit, just sayin' even if IE didn't have these problems I'd not use it
The only place I use it currently is application testing.
Quote from: Thorin on April 29, 2014, 02:13:57 PM
Yes, that's what I was referring to :) Got the corporate email about it, but I already knew. Unfortunately our intranet works best on IE :( But any external websites I go to, I visit using Chrome (98%) or Firefox (2%).
You know, I don't know that my kids even know how to start up Internet Explorer. I don't think they recognize the icon. We've been a Firefox/Chrome/occasionally-IceWeasel family since my oldest first started using the computer heavily.
Are you telling me they have no idea what the E means in the context of the internet? *GASP*
I'm pretty sure it means "Exploits"
It's like a virus download test tool :lol:
The new Firefox isn't that bad so far but the UI is a bit buggy
I press alt to show the file menu and it moves the tabs down... then when press it again there's a bunch of empty area where the menu used to be :/
Performance wise it's the same, so this just seems like mainly a UI overhaul
Edit: Oddly enough it actually takes up more vertical space than the previous version. But there's ROUNDED CORNERS (what a joke hah hah haaaa)
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 29, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
Edit: Oddly enough it actually takes up more vertical space than the previous version. But there's ROUNDED CORNERS (what a joke hah hah haaaa)
Are you running a skin? There is no dead space above the tabs any more for me, so it takes up less.
There is a whats new page somewhere that outlines several new technologies supported, such as gaming input device APIs and WebRTC which makes Real-Time Communications (RTC) possible natively..
Quote from: Lazybones on April 29, 2014, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 29, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
Edit: Oddly enough it actually takes up more vertical space than the previous version. But there's ROUNDED CORNERS (what a joke hah hah haaaa)
Are you running a skin? There is no dead space above the tabs any more for me, so it takes up less.
There is a whats new page somewhere that outlines several new technologies supported, such as gaming input device APIs and WebRTC which makes Real-Time Communications (RTC) possible natively..
Nope, no skins or anything, just weirdness:
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Edit: Oddly enough it actually takes up more vertical space than the previous version. But there's ROUNDED CORNERS (what a joke hah hah haaaa)
Are you running a skin? There is no dead space above the tabs any more for me, so it takes up less.
There is a whats new page somewhere that outlines several new technologies supported, such as gaming input device APIs and WebRTC which makes Real-Time Communications (RTC) possible natively..
Nope, no skins or anything, just weirdness:
Have you ever modified your USER CSS file? You might want to take a backup of your user profile and reset to defaults.. I do not see the same space issue when I toggle the alt button / menu.
Edit: also looking at the size of the text in objects are you running normal DPI or something bigger for visibility?
I kept it vanilla, the only thing installed is adblock
Windows Extra Large Fonts (Windows XP), but I expect I'd have similar issues with Windows 7 dpi scaling* I'll give Win 7 a shot once I switch my KVM to my Win 7 machine for D&D tonight
Oddly enough I can actually read the tabs now, just looks really big compared to the previous bar, and you can't change it back to the first example unless you close and reopen the window (not ideal)
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Spoiler
I had a problem with Windows 7 dpi scaling for some time when using desktop capture / video sharing software, then I found out about this rather curious bug where if you set the dpi one point either higher or lower than what you want it does the math correctly and there is no wierd offset, so if I want to show my desktop at 250% and run a Stream I have to set it to 251
In Windows 7 the bar properly resizes, that said it's still hella big
HELLA
Decided to put IE11, Chrome, Old FF UI and New Firefox UI side by side at a pixel level. Note that I like using a bookmark bar..
There is a difference, I don't find it gigantic.
Apparently Chrome isn't so hot at catching revoked certificates?
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/google-chrome-protection-for-heartbleed-hacked-sites-called-completely-broken/
Heh, well that's a bit of a problem!!
Yeah, the whole TLS cert system is broken :(
Interesting read. I'd heard about OCSP and how it was supposed to handle revoked certificates, I didn't know Chrome had a separate hardcoded list.