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Title: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on November 23, 2021, 08:24:05 AM
I recently started working on fixing the problems I have with my server's raid arrays.

TL;DR: I need to plan some new home lab stuff. New storage arrays and/or a buy/build a new NAS and firewall.

Long story:

The array I used to backup the nas was dying for a while before I moved to the new place and died just before the move. But I couldn't really justify spending a bunch of money on that AND I didn't have the time/energy to deal with it.  For some reason I decided it was ok to run that as a raid0 of two 2TB Seagate desktop drives. I think I just had limited space for disks and since it was ONLY a backup, it didn't really matter if it died, so long as it didn't die at the same time as the NAS lololol. Guess I forgot how long I can delay basic maintenance.

The VM raid10 storage array also has a missing disk that I need to replace. It's made from old 2TB Seagate desktop drives. Both arrays made from the same disks pulled from my old /old/ nas setup.

I've been running bad blocks tests on some older drives I have to at least replace the NAS backup array.  I still have 3 3TB WD Reds I'm probably going to use for that.

And I just checked the nas and I noticed a bunch of medium errors in the dmesg log for the main nas array. No raid errors so far, apparently the disk has been doing its thing reallocating sectors (192 reallocated, and 1 offline uncorrectable/pending) behind the scenes and throwing the occasional error, and the raid has being doing its thing dealing with it, and all the while I haven't noticed a thing. Looks like I forgot to set up the smartmon emails on the nas the last time I rebuilt it. *sigh*

AND while looking at the disks, the NAS's root raid1 has a disk with a few reallocated sectors, but man those disks are fairly old 500GB seagate's. Old enough that the smart info power on hours counter has wrapped. So 7+ years of solid uptime. Might be my most reliable drives to date actually. But they also saw very little use iirc.

So now I need to come up with a good plan to rejig some stuff.

This time I think I should do it right. No el-cheapo consumer disks. Maybe blacks as ~6 years isn't TOO bad. But I think its better to start looking at enterprise gear. Even enterprise mechanical disks aren't that expensive anymore as long as I don't go for the highest capacity stuff.

And I'm thinking I may even get a stand alone NAS box for the backup. I will probably want something with a bit of beef for my main nas so I can run a few things (like nextcloud) without getting annoyed.

My nas is currently my /old/ home server hw after the nas motherboard failed (probably due to heat), so its running a Xeon E3-1230, on a Supermicro X9SCL with 16GB ram. Getting a bit long in the tooth.

AND I've been eyeing getting a new firewall appliance. My current Pc-Engines APU2c4 is not actually fast enough to handle my new internet fully, let alone run anything else while attempting it.

So I basically need to start from scratch. New new NAS, new firewall, ideally 10GbE capable hardware.

I'd apprecaiate some suggestions. I tend to get bogged down in analysis paralysis which is why I haven't even bothered to get new drives. Ideally I need something I won't have to think about too much. I just don't have the time/energy to spend on thinking about it let alone doing manual maintenance. Yet be something flexible and performant enough I won't get annoyed with it later on.

Hell, I've been looking at a solution for adding motion sensing to our front porch (pot) light, and been getting stuck thinking about it. Royal pain in my rear.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on November 23, 2021, 10:02:26 AM
Budget and why 10gE?
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 23, 2021, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on November 23, 2021, 10:02:26 AMBudget and why 10gE?

If I was starting over right now I would be looking at 10GE or at least 2.5/5 Gig capable devices..

If you are in a Fibre area you can already get 1.5 Gibit plans.. Not that you NEED them but it looks like greater than 1Gig is going to become relatively common "soon" in cities at least.

WiFi 6 APs are now shipping with 2.5 or 10Gig interfaces on them since in THEORY they can exceed 1Gig throughput.

However the router/firewall is probably the most expensive part however since doing inspection at those speeds is still a little bit of a premium.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Thorin on November 23, 2021, 04:58:03 PM
The first step to getting out of analysis paralysis is telling yourself that you're probably going to pick wrong no matter what, so there's no point in worrying about picking wrong, so just go ahead and decide and then do.

I use this technique when buying used cars - I assume I'm going to end up with a lemon so that I'm already in the right headspace if it needs thousands in repairs.  Now I can pick a car that I can tell isn't perfect and not beat myself up for it.

As for home network / NAS, unless you're actually making money off of it, there's no point in buying super-expensive high-end newest-technology stuff.  If it were me, a good Synology with a bunch of drives and Synology Hybrid Raid enabled is good enough, as long as any of the *important* files are backed up offline.  Gigabit Ethernet would be fine, too; sure, future technology might allow faster file transfers but it's already plenty fast and why pay extra for _possible_ futures?  A good LAN setup with extra APs covering low spots, I'd say that's much more important.  Make it so internet is fast in any part of the house including the garage.

Five years from now, when devices will probably be routinely capable of above-1Gb speeds, that's when you'll be looking to upgrade again anyway.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 23, 2021, 08:05:07 PM
Did a little hunting and 8port CHEAP 10Gig switches are still quite pricy at $449.99 CAD.

2.5Gig capable switches start around $164.99 for a 5 port QNAP (QSW-1105-5T) 5 port 2.5Gbps (https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1045_350&item_id=186364)

Cheap 1Gig switches are like $50..
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on November 24, 2021, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: Melbosa on November 23, 2021, 10:02:26 AMBudget and why 10gE?
Budget? Hmm. Say a couple grand? No super hard limit as i can just buy things incrementally.

As for why 10G? Cause. And I've wanted to play with booting vms over ethernet via iSCSI or AoE/NvmeOE etc.

Quote from: Lazybones on November 23, 2021, 08:05:07 PMDid a little hunting and 8port CHEAP 10Gig switches are still quite pricy at $449.99 CAD.

2.5Gig capable switches start around $164.99 for a 5 port QNAP (QSW-1105-5T) 5 port 2.5Gbps (https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1045_350&item_id=186364)

Cheap 1Gig switches are like $50..
I've got a couple decent netgear GbE switches. one 24 port and one 8+ port PoE. No shortage of ports.

MikroTik has some affordable 10GbE switches which I've been looking at. $136 for a 4 port SFP+ desktop switch, and $280 for a 8+1 SFP+ switch. So things have gotten pretty good. SFP pcie cards have also gotten "cheap". Its just buying the cables and/or transievers that can really add up.

Quote from: Thorin on November 23, 2021, 04:58:03 PMAs for home network / NAS, unless you're actually making money off of it, there's no point in buying super-expensive high-end newest-technology stuff.  If it were me, a good Synology with a bunch of drives and Synology Hybrid Raid enabled is good enough, as long as any of the *important* files are backed up offline.  Gigabit Ethernet would be fine, too; sure, future technology might allow faster file transfers but it's already plenty fast and why pay extra for _possible_ futures?  A good LAN setup with extra APs covering low spots, I'd say that's much more important.  Make it so internet is fast in any part of the house including the garage.
I've heard some stories about Synology and the like. I wouldn't want to depend on one of them for anything more than backups. If I'm going to spend the $1k on a decent sized Synology or the like, shouldn't I get something a bit more flexible?

Turns out my shaw modem's wifi covers the entire house from the basement corner "good enoguh" for now. So far its been less flaky and faster than my old /expensive/ Unifi AP-AC-Pro.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 24, 2021, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: Tom on November 24, 2021, 08:32:07 AMIf I'm going to spend the $1k on a decent sized Synology or the like, shouldn't I get something a bit more flexible?


Went from building my own to a synology.. The Synology has been the least problematic but I don't use it as a server, I started out running some stuff on it but ended up migrating that out to a dedicated NUC with a more powerful CPU.

Pros of a Synology:

- Small
- Hot swap drive bays
- Low power
- Mature software
- drive failure detection works well if you are using supported drives. This is more important than you might think as it will pull drives as failed BEFORE complete failure sometimes based on drive data.
- Strong notification and remote access options
- Personally I use Surveillance station and while costly (per camera) it has been fairly solid software.

In short less dicking around

Cons:

- More expensive
- Lower compute power if you want that combined
- gets pricy for larger units
- some arbitrary limitations

Not for everyone but as long as they don't force their own drives on the consumer units like they have for the business / rack units I will probably upgrade to another synology.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 24, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Seconded on the Synology front. For the price I paid I'm very happy with mine. It's easy to use and has a boatload of features that are easily accessible

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Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on November 24, 2021, 12:26:46 PM
FYI: As for why 10G? Cause. And I've wanted to play with booting vms over ethernet via iSCSI or AoE/NvmeOE etc. - Works fine over 1gE - do this at home lol.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 24, 2021, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on November 24, 2021, 12:26:46 PMFYI: As for why 10G? Cause. And I've wanted to play with booting vms over ethernet via iSCSI or AoE/NvmeOE etc. - Works fine over 1gE - do this at home lol.

On this note iSCSI configuration is quite easy on a Synology, as is NFS if you prefer that for doing something similar.

Back on the 10Gig note I would note that even for me I would not consider it necessary for more than a few CORE switch ports and that for most connections 1Gig is fine..
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on November 24, 2021, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: Lazybones on November 24, 2021, 01:25:26 PMBack on the 10Gig note I would note that even for me I would not consider it necessary for more than a few CORE switch ports and that for most connections 1Gig is fine..
Yeah, I would only consider this for my upstream ports and connection to my gateways/routers (so we can get more than 1g Inet service).  But really not needed for any other services I have, and I have heavy server farm deployment in my house with 50TB Synology 1812+.  I do however have a 40gE connection between my two compute heavy servers, BUT the only time it is used is in v-motion activities.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on November 24, 2021, 02:02:09 PM
So to swing back to your original request of: New new NAS, new firewall, ideally 10GbE capable hardware - but what I think you really mean in your op is:

If that is correct, this is my recommendation:
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on November 25, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
Synology on sale today at MemEx: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/NetworkNAS?FilterID=cdd11fc5-f5be-cc42-7d2a-2b4c34738c47&Search=MX0011303
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 25, 2021, 02:50:23 PM
Canada Computers also has several NAS on Sale

https://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?cPath=1035&sf=:&rebate=1&mfr=&pr=
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on November 30, 2021, 10:30:52 AM
Well crap. I had just written a nice post and chrome locked up and thinking I was just going to kill one window, I let the OS kill the process... except it was the entire master chrome process that was locked up so it killed all the chrome windows. Sigh.

At any rate, I like the suggestions. I'll check out the links. And I wish I had seen the sale links sooner. that DS920+ seems about what I want for a temp main NAS and eventual main backup NAS.

Speaking of my NAS, on the 22nd I re-setup the SMART tests. On the 24th, the drive with the errors fully died. Sigh. I just noticed since It appears I'm not checking my email enoguh. I need to somehow prioritize those emails/notifications better. So Now my main nas is running fully degraded and it may only be a matter of time before more die as they are all likely from the same batch. Though none of the other WD blacks are showing bad sectors, they are all showing 50k+ power-on-hours (5.7 years). Much of that is 25/7 on, which is far more than they are rated for IIRC. Out of warranty last Feb 1st. Had to check lol.

Not a super fan of netgate/pfsense these days for various business/ethical decisions they've made the past few years. My oppinion of Ubiquity as dropped lately as well. But we'll see. I may just grab one of their firewall/controller boxes since they are quite nice and the interface is pretty nice. We'll see.

Quote from: Lazybones on November 24, 2021, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on November 24, 2021, 12:26:46 PMFYI: As for why 10G? Cause. And I've wanted to play with booting vms over ethernet via iSCSI or AoE/NvmeOE etc. - Works fine over 1gE - do this at home lol.

On this note iSCSI configuration is quite easy on a Synology, as is NFS if you prefer that for doing something similar.

Back on the 10Gig note I would note that even for me I would not consider it necessary for more than a few CORE switch ports and that for most connections 1Gig is fine..
Yeah. I mostly just /want/ 10Gb between the firewall, my server/nas(s) and my workstation. Everything else will be 1Gb or wifi. Note, its not a NEED, just a want. I've had some bottlenecks I'd like to reduce, in one way or another. 10Gb would help there, as would shuffling around services a bit. Its also just something that'll be fun to play with.

Like my nextcloud has historically been slower than I'd like. It's improved over time, as I've tweaked things, and nextcloud itself has improved in performance. But I'd like to either get the network connection BEEFed up, or just move it onto the nas. I've not yet done either as it's just another TODO item on my seemingly infinite TODO list.

Having A LOT more space available to my build server would also be nice. An AOSP build gets really large. And storing the artifacts for them as well as my other projects takes up enormous amounts of space. And I'd like it to not be slow. Some of the artifacts are in the multi GB size. Because of all of this, I've mostly just been not using the build server for AOSP work at all, and just adding more ssd storage to my workstation. Just for linux I've got a 500GB+1TB nvme for / and /home, 2TB nvme for ~/build, and a 1TB sata ssd for ~/bulk which mostly stores older AOSP checkouts that I don't want to get rid of yet, and also don't want to put on a HDD since I'd like searches through it to go relatively quickly. Even with all of that, I'm still running out of space on ~/build. lol. I keep getting new devices to either to move stuff from ~/build onto, or larger ones for ~/build and ~/build keeps filling up. Sigh. Got all the slots filled in my workstation too. Even with the pcie->nvme card I grabbed. Sadly it doesn't have a pcie switch on it so only two of the four nvme slots on the pcie card work with my motherboard.

Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 30, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Tom on November 30, 2021, 10:30:52 AMYeah. I mostly just /want/ 10Gb between the firewall, my server/nas(s) and my workstation. Everything else will be 1Gb or wifi. Note, its not a NEED, just a want. I've had some bottlenecks I'd like to reduce, in one way or another. 10Gb would help there, as would shuffling around services a bit. Its also just something that'll be fun to play with

Going 10GB on a Synology is somewhat expensive most of the ones that support it are much higher price / larger units. Unofficial options you need to be careful with as DSM 7 removed some unofficial drivers.

Routers are another issue, most common suggestion seems to be to go custom with PFSense, however it is possible to get some EdgeRouters and a few others that are capable but at a premium.

Switches are not that hard.

I would not bother going 10GB or 2.5/5G unless you can actually implement at least 2 of the 3 objectives.

Also keep in mind figure out how YOU want your environment to work, our group is fairly diverse in terms of budgets, patience, technical experience, and personal time. My suggestions stem from not wanting to dick around and having a bit more money to spend.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on November 30, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on November 30, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Tom on November 30, 2021, 10:30:52 AMYeah. I mostly just /want/ 10Gb between the firewall, my server/nas(s) and my workstation. Everything else will be 1Gb or wifi. Note, its not a NEED, just a want. I've had some bottlenecks I'd like to reduce, in one way or another. 10Gb would help there, as would shuffling around services a bit. Its also just something that'll be fun to play with

Going 10GB on a Synology is somewhat expensive most of the ones that support it are much higher price / larger units. Unofficial options you need to be careful with as DSM 7 removed some unofficial drivers.
I probably would be fine with 1GB on a synology as its probably going to end up being a backup. Depends on how annoying it would be long term.

Quote from: Lazybones on November 30, 2021, 10:51:57 AMRouters are another issue, most common suggestion seems to be to go custom with PFSense, however it is possible to get some EdgeRouters and a few others that are capable but at a premium.

Switches are not that hard.

I would not bother going 10GB or 2.5/5G unless you can actually implement at least 2 of the 3 objectives.

Also keep in mind figure out how YOU want your environment to work, our group is fairly diverse in terms of budgets, patience, technical experience, and personal time. My suggestions stem from not wanting to dick around and having a bit more money to spend.
Yeah. I /want/ to not dick around, but I equally don't want to be too limited. Its a conflicting set of desires.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on November 30, 2021, 11:21:30 AM
Quote from: Tom on November 30, 2021, 11:05:57 AMYeah. I /want/ to not dick around, but I equally don't want to be too limited. Its a conflicting set of desires.

This is why I ended up moving all the computer off my NAS on to an Intel NUC running Ubuntu and Docker. Synology has solid BTRFS storage and backup. The NUC allows me to run anything I want. It is also similar to the separation I would have in production systems at work.

I found it easier and more reliable than dedicated storage OS distributions as well at least in terms of it quote "JUST WORKS" with the hardware.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2022, 09:48:18 AM
So because "budget", the grand plan is being split up into phases.

Given the NAS has a drive down, and it contains a lot of stuff I use every day and a lot more stuff I'd hate to lose even if I don't use it very often, I ordered 4 14TB Exos X16 drives for $366/ea (~$1540 after tax all in). Going to set them up today and run some burn in tests to (hopefully) ensure they wont up and die right away. I've had ASTONISHING luck with HDD infant mortality. I've learned its worth the time even if it takes DAYS to run the tests. It will probabably take 8-10 days to run. A single badblocks run on my old 3TB WD Reds took 57 hours! Haha. So I'm going to run them in parallel. I did the Reds one by one on my desk with a usb to sata dongle.

I ALMOST got a Synology, either a DS920+ or a DS1520+. Based on the price and features difference I was heavily leaning towards the DS1520+ then I decided, no, I should just start with ensuring I don't lose the files I've already got. hah. I was also tempted by some of the Asustore NASs as they kept getting good reviews and typically have better hardware than the synologys but I dont think their OS is as popular for addons and support.

Anyhow, I'm about to double my storage, even though I don't need to. I just wanted to get the best bang for the buck. So I did a bunch of googling and sorted drives by $/GB, then prioritized NAS or enterprise drives, then kept the price per drive under like $400 so I can justify buying enough drives for a decent raid array. hah. 3 was my absolute minimum but I wanted at least 4. Thinking about it now, I might run raid6 since I really don't need the space. But then thats $700 in drives used as parity. lol. so perhaps not. Hell If I did that I should probably just go md-raid10. Hey, I might just test all three modes and see what performance is like. a raid5 vs raid6 vs raid10 shoot out with my specific use cases.

Once I get these drives installed and started testing, I'll migrate my VM box's vm array over to the WD blacks that are left, and I'll recreate the old backup array with my older 3TB WD reds.

After that's all done, I think I'll look at some used enterprise hardware for the VM box, like some sun f80 or similar flash cards, some used network cards and switches etc, and perhaps one of the ServeTheHome "Project MiniMicro" picks for a new firewall.

Then perhaps, depending on need, I'll either build a new vm box or nas. Though to be honest, I might actually just go with a synology as the next big purchase so my important files have a decent second home.

I've gotten hesitant of appliances having more than one main task. Like back in the day I ran everything on one single box, file server, services/vms, and firewall. doing maintenance on it took everything down at once. So I split things up a bit, got a separate firewall so if I need to do maintentance on the server, the internet doesn't go down! Then I got tired of maintenance on service related stuff taking down the nas, and nas related stuff taking down services, so I split those out to separate machines. So yeah. Fun.

Yet another one of my long winded yaks. Sorry. I try to keep these things short but my brain likes to ramble. And re-writing it would take up valuable work and system maintenance time. Believe it or not though, I do trim and rewrite as I go to keep it somewhat sane-ish... haha.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on January 07, 2022, 02:16:34 PM
God man.. I tell you what.

So I'd been running tests on the new drives. One started throwing CRC errors, but things kept going. The errors typically meant a bad cable or some similar problem, but after fiddling with the cables a little nothing helped. So I stopped the tests, and moved the disks arround a little...

And that caused one of the main nas raid disks to drop. in a raid5 thats already got a missing disk. *sigh*. Things are fine now, but it took some (mostly) careful work to fix. Ended up having to re-create the array over top the old. it mounts and xfs_repair runs successfully. Doesn't appear to be any errors.

That one new disk still seemed to be throwing errors, so I swapped the sata cable with another of the new drives, and now no more crc errors? I don't even. Perhaps a dirty contact on one of the sata pins? and a reinsert cleaned that up? W/E.

Re-running the badblocks tests now. May take ~5 days assuming each of the 4 write/read pass pair goes at about 250MB/s average.

Since I'm using a SAS card, I have to use those not cheap sas->sata breakout cables, so I was hoping it wasn't a problem with the cable.

Makes me think though, the first failed disk used that same cable. The errors appeared to cause the disk to want to do resets, so I wonder if that can cause a drive to get bad sectors? Werid.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on January 20, 2022, 08:44:11 AM
After a little cable jiggling and reinserting, I'm not getting the random drop outs. So I think it was a combo of loose cables and potentially dirty connections.

I've coppied all of the data off the old array I can onto my old WD Reds, not enough room for the anime so thats the only files I'm going to risk losing during the next step.

At any rate, gotta finish building the new nas array. And I've learned OpenMediaVault has finally released an update. Prior to i think a few months ago it was still based on Debian 9, originally released in 2017. Yow. new version looks to be based on Debian 11. Released in 2021. so much more recent. And its got a new web ui, so maybe it'll suck less, but i think it will probably have fewer addons, but hopefully won't need as many of them? So I'm either going to upgrade, or think about starting fresh with TrueNas Scale (or Truenas Core aka FreeNas), Or UnRAID.

In other news, I got a new firewall (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003740402369.html?spm=a2g0s.12269583.0.0.11656656l8LM8o). Ordered it barebones. Just waiting on ram to show up. I wanted to avoid buying whatever pos ram/storage they'd ship with it just to replace it later. Its fanless, with a huge heatsink. Claims 15W power use. Quad core Intel 11th gen I5 mobile/embeded cpu. will be putting 16GB ram into it and a couple sata devices from my old firewall. 6 built in GbE ports, I'm hoping its got more than one controller and not all sharing the same one on a switch, so it could theoretically handle more than 1GbE. According to the specs, it says "6 intel gigabit network cards, support 5 same broadband access," so I'm thinking that means two actual nics, with one port with a dedicated nic, and 5 ports sit on a switch chip. That to me is acceptable.

Its going to have significantly more beef than my old firewall. Considering the old boy has issues loading in the pfsense ui let alone handle my new 1Gb/100Mb internet. I normally get like 600-700Mbps down and 100 up, but the cpu use spikes over 80% on down. When it does get to over 800Mbps it hits 100% cpu. This is after disabling a bunch of services and any kind of limiting, queueing or fancy filtering/blocking. Direct to the modem my desktop gets > 900Mbps. Fun.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on January 20, 2022, 09:56:36 AM
Are you planning on running pfSense or something else?
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on January 20, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Tom on January 20, 2022, 08:44:11 AMAt any rate, gotta finish building the new nas array. And I've learned OpenMediaVault has finally released an update. Prior to i think a few months ago it was still based on Debian 9, originally released in 2017. Yow. new version looks to be based on Debian 11. Released in 2011. so much more recent.
LOL I think you mean 2021 not 2011
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on January 20, 2022, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on January 20, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Tom on January 20, 2022, 08:44:11 AMAt any rate, gotta finish building the new nas array. And I've learned OpenMediaVault has finally released an update. Prior to i think a few months ago it was still based on Debian 9, originally released in 2017. Yow. new version looks to be based on Debian 11. Released in 2011. so much more recent.
LOL I think you mean 2021 not 2011

It's debian, I didn't even question if 2011 was considered NEW for a stable release LOL.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 20, 2022, 03:30:36 PM
LOL

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Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on January 21, 2022, 07:18:07 AM
Quote from: Melbosa on January 20, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Tom on January 20, 2022, 08:44:11 AMAt any rate, gotta finish building the new nas array. And I've learned OpenMediaVault has finally released an update. Prior to i think a few months ago it was still based on Debian 9, originally released in 2017. Yow. new version looks to be based on Debian 11. Released in 2011. so much more recent.
LOL I think you mean 2021 not 2011
You're right lol! I typo things up normally then I revise and re-edit and different errors sneak in lol.

Quote from: Lazybones on January 20, 2022, 09:56:36 AMAre you planning on running pfSense or something else?
Probably opnSense. I'm not super happy with pfsense these days. nor with netgate itself.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on April 30, 2022, 06:53:40 AM
New firewall has been working reasonably well. Opnsense isn't quite as user friendly as pfSense, but it does have wireguard and a little more customizability.

I also recently set up the old UAP-AC-Pro I've had for a while. The new unifi network manager software apparently has a default setting to auto update APs even though they should know they have issues with releasing dodgy firmware and forcing people to update by default is probably a bad idea. That said the new firmware appears to work rather well compared to the old ass fw I was on. Not having the same range issues I was in the trailer. Actually got signal upstairs from the /basement/. Though it was a bit flaky two floors up. Still A LOT better than being flaky 30 feet away with no real obstructions.

Got a Unifi U6-Pro when a "in stock" notice I set up recently fired off. So far they are working pretty well. Got the old AC-Pro in my office and the U6-Pro in the master bedroom temporarily.

I wired up the 3 cat5e lines they ran for phone lines with ethernet jacks so I could plug my hue hub in on the main floor so it can talk to our front light and motion sensor, and so the wifi can plug in upstairs till I run some dedicated AP lines.

Have to say most people's APs are freaking dumb. Most are all huddling on channel 6, probably because one or two networks are set to 40mhz? Like seriously, someone is hogging most of the spectrum with using wide channels and the rest of the networks are all sticking to the same channel. Even my APs seemed to want to select channel 6 when I did a channel scan/optimize. weird.
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on April 30, 2022, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Tom on April 30, 2022, 06:53:40 AMHave to say most people's APs are freaking dumb. Most are all huddling on channel 6, probably because one or two networks are set to 40mhz? Like seriously, someone is hogging most of the spectrum with using wide channels and the rest of the networks are all sticking to the same channel. Even my APs seemed to want to select channel 6 when I did a channel scan/optimize. weird.

Could be worse you could have multiple  APs NOT on 1, 6, 11 interfering with basically everything and making 2.4Ghz almost unusable for everyone.

The joy of living in a townhouse super close to other people

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Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Melbosa on April 30, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
We've noticed (my company partners) that DLINK routers are bandwidth hawgs something terrible... using our site survey analyzer as of late at a lot of our client sites, and we can find home DLINKs eating up significant bandwidth and saturating the airways in the 5G space.  Causing terrible issues for our clients.

No fault of a home user, they don't know any better.  Seems to be the default setting of DLINK's wireless settings on their latest routers!
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on May 01, 2022, 05:31:48 AM
Heres what I'm talking about:
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Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Lazybones on May 01, 2022, 01:01:10 PM
Still sucks but at least it is down near -80.

Also looks like channel 11 is 100% clear?
Title: Re: NASs and Home Lab/Lan HW
Post by: Tom on May 02, 2022, 06:37:34 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on May 01, 2022, 01:01:10 PMStill sucks but at least it is down near -80.

Also looks like channel 11 is 100% clear?
I'm thinking either the software is bugged or for some reason one or both of the aps are? I'm pretty sure there are other networks on 11. not many, but I do see a couple when using Wifi Analyzer on my phone. And that weird wide one isn't actually wide on my phone. So weird.