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Title: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 10:04:40 AM
http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

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Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Tom on November 02, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
It's kindof vague as to whether it will be distributed outside of CBS All Access streaming though.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Tom on November 02, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
It's kindof vague as to whether it will be distributed outside of CBS All Access streaming though.

If they lock it away from TV it will be all over the internet like a rash. They'd be dopes not to

Oddly enough I just watched Star Trek: Renegades yesterday, it was fun but it was more Farscape-y than Star Trek-y
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Tom on November 02, 2015, 10:22:43 AM
It'll be ripped regardless though. lol.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on November 02, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
There is a noticeable disturbance in the fan base (i.e. read the comments, most of which are pretty damn skeptical)
http://io9.com/holy-crap-they-are-officially-making-a-new-star-trek-t-1740024705


Quote from: Tom on November 02, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
It's kindof vague as to whether it will be distributed outside of CBS All Access streaming though.


?This new series will premiere to the national CBS audience, then boldly go where no first-run Star Trek series has gone before ? directly to its millions of fans through CBS All Access,? said Marc DeBevoise, Executive Vice President/General Manager of CBS Digital Media in a press release. ?We?ve experienced terrific growth for CBS All Access, expanding the service across affiliates and devices in a very short time. We now have an incredible opportunity to accelerate this growth with the iconic Star Trek, and its devoted and passionate fan base, as our first original series.?

Seems to be a "release on their streaming service ONLY" at first -- good luck in that working out not terribadly...



PS: coming in 2017, and yet as of right now they don't even have a head writer and/or showrunner. #AmbitiuousTimelineIsAmbitious
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on November 02, 2015, 10:51:51 AM
More importantly to me, the article in the original post mentions who is running this new Trek.  Same people as those behind the rebooted Star Trek films.  And they also are the same people as those in charge of the "hit" shows Scorpion and Hawaii Five-O.  I can tell you now, expect the science part of the sci-fi to be completely @%&#ing wrong.  Like, not even close to what the old Trek shows tried to stick to.  Lots of fast drivingflying, lots of wide camera angles with blurry backgrounds, lots of techno-jargon that means nothing or even worse means the opposite of what they think it means.

At least they're saying so far that the show will not relate to the rebooted movie universe.  But they've also not said that the show will relate to the old Trek universe.  So my guess is they're going to invite a whole new background story for Star Trek, ignoring everything that already exists.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Tom on November 02, 2015, 10:56:16 AM
If they go for the same darkness they did for the movies, I don't know if it'll do that well with the core fans. Maybe with the general audience, but not the fans.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 11:09:49 AM
Trek will never be the same without Roddenberry this is a fact, when he passed a lot of what made Trek, Trek started to die

But given the extreme dearth of space faring sci-fi of any kind on TV I'll hold out hope
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on November 02, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
Have you guys tried to watch Scorpion or Hawaii Five-O?  If those shows are the "hit" shows this guy has been involved with and to be used as a sample of his work, then the new Trek is going to suck balls.  Unless Kurtzman is the executive producer in name only.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 11:42:30 AM
The Executive Producer generally collects resources and manages the budget, so I'm less worried unless he really is the hands on "do it my way type" in which case who knows

Really, all he has to do RIGHT is get good writers, full stop. Everything else can take a back seat to quality writing (something lacking in both Enterprise and Voyager)

TBH I'd be more worried about CBS making executive decisions to try and make people flock to their online service, also if said attention grab doesn't go well ($6 a month? @%&# dat) it's gong to sink the show in 1-2 seasons.

Trek needs to be GOOD with a capital G. Then again TNG didn't find its stride until Season 3 ... so here's hoping
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on November 02, 2015, 01:22:58 PM
You are very right.  A key takeaway from the announcement was that the only real go-where-no-man-has-gone-before quote was that it wouldn't be on TV, it would be on a proprietary streaming system.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on November 02, 2015, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 11:09:49 AM
Trek will never be the same without Roddenberry this is a fact, when he passed a lot of what made Trek, Trek started to die

But given the extreme dearth of space faring sci-fi of any kind on TV I'll hold out hope

Without a doubt the BEST speculative drama fiction on TV is coming from the UK.

Just finished season one of "Utopia" and holy s-word. Also started to watch "The Black Mirror" and it reminded me of the 1990s Outer Limits at its best.

"Sense 8" had a chance at being something long-running and powerful but was way too... well, a number of things that I don't want to list off.

Of course I prefer my scifi/fantasy universes to be simple and briefly depicted in 90-120 minute chunks anyway (aka FILMS, usually surprise gems that I never heard of until I find them on Netflix!) , so I am personally not very excited at all about the new Trek series. Explosions and sound-in-space and paper-thin characters? Go nuts for all I care!

The situational ethical dillemmas etc. are what made Trek Trek, and I gave up a few years ago expecting that to ever come back in a big mainstream way, big screen or small -- at least in the Trek universe. Kids today, they don't want to think, they want to feel... and quickly.

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 04:08:49 PM
The primary reason I didn't like DS9 was it got all "shooty" near the end, both TNG and TOS focused more on the exploration / diplomacy side. In both those shows weapons fired was usually as a last resort defensive measure, to be used as a tool (drilling) or in a very few situations actual combat (the Borg, the Romulans, etc)

I really do like the Space Opera variety of sci-fi / fantasy, the more hard sci-fi stuff is best explored like you say in an Outer Limits or Twilight Zone style (X-Files & Twin Peaks next year baby!!!)

Trek is fun to watch on multiple levels because USUALLY they have some highbrow stuff mixed in with actual watchable television. There are few points in an episode of TNG or TOS where I skip a boring bit whereas something like Sense 8 I feel like there could have been an "abridged" version and nothing would have been lost

But hey, that's just my opinion
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on November 02, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
HEY, I have a great idea for the perfect name they should choose for this new series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Phase_II).

Just to piss off the remaining "old guard" trekkers ;)





Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2015, 04:08:49 PM
The primary reason I didn't like DS9 was it got all "shooty" near the end, both TNG and TOS focused more on the exploration / diplomacy side. In both those shows weapons fired was usually as a last resort defensive measure, to be used as a tool (drilling) or in a very few situations actual combat (the Borg, the Romulans, etc)

I really do like the Space Opera variety of sci-fi / fantasy, the more hard sci-fi stuff is best explored like you say in an Outer Limits or Twilight Zone style (X-Files & Twin Peaks next year baby!!!)

Trek is fun to watch on multiple levels because USUALLY they have some highbrow stuff mixed in with actual watchable television. There are few points in an episode of TNG or TOS where I skip a boring bit whereas something like Sense 8 I feel like there could have been an "abridged" version and nothing would have been lost

But hey, that's just my opinion


I very much agree esp. with the bolded stuff above -- and in a way all great speculative fiction focuses on "exploration" and inter-personal interactions and moral/ethical decision making etc... Whether it takes place in big open space, or in a tiny enclosed space (e.g. just watched "Circle" on Netflix and it takes place in a single room the entire film, with a cast of a couple dozen ... and it was a pretty damned engaging 90 minutes!)

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on November 12, 2015, 07:43:38 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 02, 2015, 03:28:30 PM

Without a doubt the BEST speculative drama fiction on TV is coming from the UK.

Just finished season one of "Utopia" and holy s-word. Also started to watch "The Black Mirror" and it reminded me of the 1990s Outer Limits at its best.


The modern brilliance known as Black Mirror was created by Charlie Brooker.

Charlie Brooker is and always has been a dark-humoured genius asshole that makes us look at ourselves and want to cry.

"Screen Wipe" (2006) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNK97nIsKs)

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 20, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
Delayed again http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-discovery-delayed-again-as-spocks-father-is-cast-965494

*sad trombone*
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Tom on January 20, 2017, 04:22:01 PM
Yeah, heard about the delay :( sucks, but what can you do.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 20, 2017, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Tom on January 20, 2017, 04:22:01 PM
Yeah, heard about the delay :( sucks, but what can you do.

Shake my fist in silent rage and glance longingly at a poster of Jean Luc Picard whispering "I have failed you"
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Melbosa on January 20, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
:(
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on May 17, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
...aaaaand it looks terrible:

https://youtu.be/o_xhb-mGU2w

Also -just a thought- your show should probably never abbreviate to "STD"
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Tom on May 17, 2017, 07:46:18 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic... I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Melbosa on May 17, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Alternative Option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

But yeah I will be watching both this one (with high hopes) and Orville in above link.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on May 17, 2017, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on May 17, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Alternative Option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

But yeah I will be watching both this one (with high hopes) and Orville in above link.

Oh dude, I'm really excited for The Orville, that's the show that I'm banking on

(http://i.imgur.com/OY77JM5.gif)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on May 17, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on May 17, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Alternative Option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

But yeah I will be watching both this one (with high hopes) and Orville in above link.

Sadly I am way more excited for Orville now than STD.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on May 18, 2017, 07:49:11 AM
That kind of internet mockery could... spread. Like a virus.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on May 18, 2017, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on May 18, 2017, 07:49:11 AM
That kind of internet mockery could... spread. Like a virus.

Ba-da-bump tshhh!
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
So did anybody catch this tonight? I honestly forgot it was on
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on September 24, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 24, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
So did anybody catch this tonight? I honestly forgot it was on

Somehow I don't think you would have a problem streaming it.  ;)

Going to need more episodes to form an opinion on it, it is a bit dark.

Same goes for The Orville, episode 3 was a decent SciFi story with funny parts.. If they even out the jokes and plot it could be a fun show.

Both might be worth watching.

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on September 24, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
I watched the first episode of The Orville, love the background but just not sold on the character interactions at the moment.  Like, they're all so informal?  Even though it's supposed to be a military-style organization?  The Expanse did a much better job of showing informal interactions between characters at the right time.

I haven't watched Discovery yet, I've got it queued up.  I don't know whether I'll like it or not, but I'm willing to give it a chance since it's Star Trek.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on September 25, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
I would watch the fist three episodes of Orville to get a better feel. It is very inconsistent.

Watching the first two episodes of discovery and then seeing the preview of what?s next leads me to believe the rest of the show will be somewhat different .
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on September 25, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
I've watched the first three episodes of The Orville now and it's hot garbage. The backgrounds, sets, and ambient sounds and music are really good. The plots, dialogue, and character development are terrible. I mean, if I closed my eyes I felt like I was watching Family Guy in space, not because of the voices but because of the weird dialogue and constant references to modern-day things instead of futuristic things.

Haven't watched Star Trek Discovery yet, I expect it'll be better plot-wise. I hope! Meanwhile, The Expanse hasn't announced its third season yet and Dark Matter got cancelled. I still have Killjoys to catch up on, though. And then a bunch of non-sci-fi shows...
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 26, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
No more Dark Matter? Dammit, I enjoyed how S1 introduced characters that reacted realistically. .. then S2 let them "be themselves" more in a very different setting.

Was there a 3rd season and just not on NF yet? Damn cliffhanger otherwise.

I starting watching "Timeless" too -- reminds me of the pilot "Rewind" but different focus. Don't tell me they didn't get a second season either...

And Travellers might be done since there is that new Will And Grace dammit wtf is wrong with people. #SciFi needs more love.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on September 26, 2017, 03:04:11 PM
Dark Matter had three seasons, and ended on a series-changing cliffhanger, and then was cancelled.  There were some parts where you just had to turn your brain off, it was more fi than sci.  Maybe it was best described as someone's sci-fi tabletop rpg campaign turned into a show.  But it was enjoyable enough to watch.  The Expanse was much harder sci while still fi.  The Orville so far is low on sci, low on fi, hard on inane current-day references; it certainly doesn't try to show an advanced future in any way, besides what was already covered in Star Trek.

I can't think of any other recent sci-fi shows I've considered watching.  Well, maybe Killjoys, I didn't like the first couple of episodes but I'm reading now that the story evolves as the seasons go by.

I don't know what to say about shows not appearing on Netflix in a timely manner...  I'm sure people here can offer alternatives.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 26, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
I really enjoyed Dark Mirror, I'm hoping for more of that soon. In the meantime Mr. Robot should be back soon (as is Star Wars Rebels! woo hoo)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on September 26, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 26, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
I really enjoyed Dark Mirror, I'm hoping for more of that soon. In the meantime Mr. Robot should be back soon (as is Star Wars Rebels! woo hoo)

Wait, do you mean Dark Matter (a Canadian sci-fi show shown on Syfy), or Black Mirror (a British sci-fi show shown on Netflix).

Yes, Mr. Robot will start up soon, and it'll be great, but it's not really sci-fi to me.  I haven't started watching Star Wars Rebels, other than when my youngest is watching it.  I do know from my intermittent watching that the writing got better and better as the seasons were released, and that everything in the cartoon is considered canon.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 26, 2017, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 26, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
I really enjoyed Dark Mirror, I'm hoping for more of that soon. In the meantime Mr. Robot should be back soon (as is Star Wars Rebels! woo hoo)

LOL.

BLACK MIRROR combined with Dark Matter would be strangely intriguing.

Dark Matter has a 3rd season on IMDB (so should go to Netflix soon I hope -- that's where I "discovered" it, badly marketed maybe) and apparently that's it (?)

While Black Mirror can go on FOREVER because it is an anthology series (ala Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits) but was so well developed because CHARLIE BOOKER IS A FREAKIN' GENIUS** DARK SATIRIST. And having a ton of US stars being cast that most recent season confirms how it is being recognized as a solid work of scifi drama (even if no ongoing story arc etc. the THEME is pretty much "look into the abyss of your electronic distractions -- the abyss looks back at you, but you then look away!" IMO.)



** nothing is sacred, and he tackles nothing with a shallow or subtle hand: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=charlie+booker+wipe
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 26, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Thorin on September 26, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 26, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
I really enjoyed Dark Mirror, I'm hoping for more of that soon. In the meantime Mr. Robot should be back soon (as is Star Wars Rebels! woo hoo)

Wait, do you mean Dark Matter (a Canadian sci-fi show shown on Syfy), or Black Mirror (a British sci-fi show shown on Netflix).

Yes, Mr. Robot will start up soon, and it'll be great, but it's not really sci-fi to me.  I haven't started watching Star Wars Rebels, other than when my youngest is watching it.  I do know from my intermittent watching that the writing got better and better as the seasons were released, and that everything in the cartoon is considered canon.

Yup Black Mirror is what I meant yeah - I loved that series :) Mr. Robot is kind of an edge case especially with season 2 and how the world shifted with cryptocurrency.

Rebels Season 2 onward is a damn fine show AND baffling to me because the characters are actually well written and rounded out - moreso than Rogue One was. So ... people who work at disney/marvel/lucasfilm are capable of writing everything but a standalone Star Wars screenplay apparently...

I'm gonna try and watch Trek tonight - there's so much stacked against it, I hope its good enough to transcend a lot of the dumb decisions; pay streaming service, reworked klingons (again rip), likable character dying in first ep (from what I hear)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 28, 2017, 05:10:25 PM
Forget a sanitized, forced-diversity "rebooting" of Star Trek.

I'll take classic STAR TREK: LORD KIZZLE any day of the week!
http://youtube.com/user/lordkizzle/search?query=Trek

;D
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on January 05, 2018, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on May 17, 2017, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Melbosa on May 17, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Alternative Option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0

But yeah I will be watching both this one (with high hopes) and Orville in above link.

Oh dude, I'm really excited for The Orville, that's the show that I'm banking on

(http://i.imgur.com/OY77JM5.gif)

"[The Orville] is Star Trek as NORMAL Humans would be, NOT Professional Service People with the proverbial stick up an orifice."
- One of many positive comments here: https://www.wired.com/2017/12/geeks-guide-orville/


An unexpected fan success, apparently.

Whereas -- and I have not yet check the internet to see what other folks have said -- this latest drop of Black Mirror seems to be... off. Like, missing a certain... something. Other than "The Crocodile", which was like a classic Coen Brothers film in a way, story-wise. (note: I have not yet watched the black and white episode)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on January 05, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
I prefer The Orville to Discovery, but I am watching both.

The humor in The Orville is uneven but the first season really got better as it went along.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 14, 2018, 11:04:32 PM
The second half of the first season of Star Trek: Discovery has started up, and so far it's been quite good. I almost gave up on the series after the first half, but now I'm solidly drawn back in.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on January 15, 2018, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: Thorin on January 14, 2018, 11:04:32 PM
The second half of the first season of Star Trek: Discovery has started up, and so far it's been quite good. I almost gave up on the series after the first half, but now I'm solidly drawn back in.

I have been drawn in as far as I really want to see what is next, however at the same time it still feels really "off" in some way to me.

I actually sit in the "I hope I am not right" camp... The foreshadowing is announced a lot sometimes, they will place down a "chekhov's gun" and you can be fairly sure it will go off in an episode or two with semi predictable results.

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Melbosa on January 15, 2018, 10:45:07 AM
It's a very dark version of Star Trek for sure.  But I'm liking it myself.  I can't wait for the Orville to come back as well as that one has really gotten its legs too.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 16, 2018, 08:49:26 AM
It's the least Star Trek, Trek that there is. It's more like Star Wars than anything else.

UNLESS this is actually the Mirror-Mirror universe THEN things make sense (I am not kidding and there are others who've also thought of this twist)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Melbosa on January 16, 2018, 12:02:18 PM
Latest episodes are in the mirror universe.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 16, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
I'm trying really hard not to talk about it because I don't want to give away spoilers because I don't know how far others have gotten in the series.  I agree that it's not Star Trek the way Star Trek has always been, with civilized humans and the Prime Directive and all that.  I blame the recent movies for rebooting the franchise into this much darker and grittier setting.  Still, the things that have happened since the mid-season break have been interesting and have kept me interested in watching to see what happens next.  Even though forty years of reading and watching sci-fi has made me pretty good at predicting what's going to come next.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on January 16, 2018, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: Thorin on January 16, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
Even though forty years of reading and watching sci-fi has made me pretty good at predicting what's going to come next.

I mean they foreshadowed the hell out of what was going to happen. I could spell it all out here but I think Mr. A is the only one not fully up to date.

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on January 16, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
And some of us have no interest
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 17, 2018, 01:53:32 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on January 16, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
And some of us have no interest
This doesn't appear to add anything to this thread. Why post it?
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on January 17, 2018, 07:33:26 AM
Are you actually asking a question or just making a statement in question form?


Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 17, 2018, 08:38:37 AM
ANYway...

I'm caught up with the first half, I'll probably start watching the second half this weekend unless I get distracted.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 17, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
Quote from: Thorin on January 17, 2018, 01:53:32 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on January 16, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
And some of us have no interest

This doesn't appear to add anything to this thread. Why post it?

Quote from: Darren Dirt on January 17, 2018, 07:33:26 AM
Are you actually asking a question or just making a statement in question form?




Well, I used the word "appear" so that indicates I'm not certain what the point was.  So then I ask what the point was.  Do you really think I make statements in question form?  That seems passive-aggressive, that really doesn't seem like me, I'm pretty sure I'm quite direct and straightforward.

So why did you bother posting that you have no interest?
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on January 18, 2018, 06:33:40 PM
Quote from: Thorin on January 17, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
So why did you bother posting that you have no interest?

In response to someone saying "everyone except Mr. Analog is caught up", I was actually making it clear that once Mr. A says he is caught up you guys can go nuts with the spoilers.

Of course I'm an adult, so in general I can choose to avoid threads with likely spoilers... but in this particular case the topic is interesting to me however I have no actual plans on getting caught up in the latest content myself so just letting you guys know. That's it.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 19, 2018, 09:15:24 AM
Alright that makes sense.

I was chatting with Mr. A yesterday and did some reading. I thought Discovery was set in the rebooted universe, but apparently it's supposed to be in the prime timeline ten years before TOS. It just doesn't fit, though. They'd've been better off setting it in the rebooted movies' timeline.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 24, 2018, 12:10:35 AM
Well, the latest episode had a twist that I wasn't expecting!
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 31, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
Everyone all caught up?  Can we talk about how this is going?

.. an entire city-sized ship (that actually sounds kinda small) and it's basically 15 v 15 with a couple small auto-turrets?  WTF.  Nevertheless, I'm intrigued enough to keep watching to see what happens next.  But like Mr. Analog said, it's not really TREK Trek.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Melbosa on January 31, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
All caught up here. 
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 31, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
I'm one episode behind - really disappointed with the mirror-mirror stuff so far, I thought it would reveal that the current plot was in a twisted parallel universe (which, technically, it still could be) but I digress.

So far the only character who's been on point with ToS has been Harry Mudd and that fact in itself depresses me greatly.

IMO this is a show not meant for Trekkies, this is a show meant to take an existing property and sell it to somebody else - and it's vastly frustrating. I mean it would be as dumb as just throwing away the whole Star Wars mythos in one movie OH SNIPPITY-SNAPPERS

...at least you didn't fail me Bladerunner 2049 gently caresses...

*we ARE in the worst possible timeline
Title: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on January 31, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
"one episode behind" well that might help a little, you should get fully caught up.

However I generally agree this is not a series designed for fans. I find references to familiar things are introduced less ham fisted than Enterprise yet are somewhat more jaring given how absolutely jaring the difference in feeling is between the universe we know and how the show has been progressing.

I find myself liking characters like Saru, Stamets and Tilly but I generally don't like Burnham which the show is largely centered around.

Even if we look at characters that are considered criminal in other series such as Chakotay (terrorist), Paris (reformed criminal) they are still over all likable and reasonable characters. I think Eddington maybe the only exception from the top of my head as far as a Federation officer that went bad and was at least characterised.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on January 31, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on January 31, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
*we ARE in the worst possible timeline

Wouldn't the worst timeline have no Orville?
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on January 31, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: Lazybones on January 31, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
I find myself liking characters like Saru, Stamets and Tilly but I generally don't like Burnham which the show is largely centered around.

What don't you like about Burnham?  Personally, I don't like the Empress character, but I can't say why until Mr. Analog catches up to episode 13.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on January 31, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: Thorin on January 31, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: Lazybones on January 31, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
I find myself liking characters like Saru, Stamets and Tilly but I generally don't like Burnham which the show is largely centered around.

What don't you like about Burnham?  Personally, I don't like the Empress character, but I can't say why until Mr. Analog catches up to episode 13.

For a star fleet officer who trained at the Vulcan academy and was mentored by her captain that she apparently loved she sure made a huge number of impulsive and devastating decisions from her jet pack incident to  knocking out her captain and trying to lie to the crew.

She also didn?t report that new security officer was having all sorts of reliability issues twice which resulted in the doctor being killed and almost her when he switched personalities.

She is constantly making bad decisions for someone that is supposed to be so experienced. She was a first officer for how long?
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on January 03, 2019, 08:56:11 AM
RLM talks about Short Treks and the future of Star Trek Discovery:
https://youtu.be/6d4iCa6h29c
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on April 18, 2019, 10:55:50 PM
Season 2 of Star Trek: Discovery just ended. I keep vaccillating back and forth between really liking it and really not.

The Orville has really grown on me since we first started this thread, though!
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on April 18, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
I have to say I'm more of an Orville fan at this point which is something I never expected to say but yeah good season closer

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Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Thorin on April 20, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
I can't decide whether that season ender was good writing to address the glaring problems in the plot or lazy writing to address them.

Even so, if the UFP developed spore drive technology, why would the knowledge about it all be concentrated in one ship, why wouldn't it have spread out to multiple computers so multiple scientists could study it? It's a gamebreaker even more than the Romulans' cloaking devices, why would an entire military operation forget it had this tech?

In my eyes, the introduction of the spore drive and the mycelial network was a terrible decision that completely broke my believability in ST:D and their writers.

The Orville I find is good when it doesn't focus on McFarlane's character, the constant review of his love life and broken marriage is old already and doesn't add anything to the show anymore (I think it did at first).
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on May 07, 2019, 05:31:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 18, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
I have to say I'm more of an Orville fan at this point which is something I never expected to say but yeah good season closer

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Quote from: https://maximumverbosit.blogspot.com/

Monday, April 01, 2019 -- April Currentlies

Currently watching: I just recently binge-watched The Orville, and that was a very strange and interesting experience.


The combination of earnest Star Trek plots, goofy and sometimes juvenile humor, and relationship comedy/drama is an odd one, and early on it doesn't necessarily work very well.

And then at some point things click together a bit, and at least in some episodes, it starts to gel nicely and is pretty entertaining.

And then somewhere in season two, I found myself thinking, "Huh, wait, they're actually doing some stuff ST:TNG did better than TNG did it, and that's... interesting."

And then a couple of episodes after that I'm sitting there watching the thing with my mouth hanging open going, "This is awesome! When did this turn into legitimately really good SF television? How did this turn into legitimately good SF television?!"


What's funny is that people kind of told me that would happen, and yet it still took me by surprise.


^ Dangit, why did I find this unintentional rando nudge-reminder, when I haven't even seen EndGame yet, not to mention not even close to finished my Oracle Java training... :sigh: #Patience

PS: if anyone here on RW still *hasn't* watched "Galavant", then hint: one sentence above can be slightly modified:
The combination of Princess Bride plots, goofy and sometimes juvenile humor, and relationship comedy/drama is an odd one, but from the opening lines right to the final song it does work very well. (Tad Cooper!!!)
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on June 17, 2019, 01:20:03 PM
Hey Mike and the other RLM guys, tell us what you REALLY think!

Star Trek Discovery Season 2 In a Nutshell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw)

(one comment: "tfw you try to make a parody but it ends up genuinely more compelling than the actual show.")
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on June 29, 2019, 07:44:10 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 17, 2019, 01:20:03 PM
Hey Mike and the other RLM guys, tell us what you REALLY think!

Star Trek Discovery Season 2 In a Nutshell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw)

(one comment: "tfw you try to make a parody but it ends up genuinely more compelling than the actual show.")

OMG the cringe dialog wasn't just something they were making up???


RLM "Star Trek Discovery Season 2 - re:View"
https://youtu.be/5SHhySoXDcA
The power of parody, people! I love humor!
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on June 29, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
It was also a pretty deep review worth watching if you've seen the new season

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Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on June 29, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 29, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
It was also a pretty deep review worth watching if you've seen the new season

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The RLM boys in their Re:View even SAID they were enjoying the first few episodes of Season 2.
*were*
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on July 22, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
The Orville got an Emmy nomination!

For... Outstanding Special Visual Effects (!) -- competing against Game of Thrones, The Man in the High Castle, The Umbrella Academy, and Star Trek: Discovery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_Primetime_Creative_Arts_Emmy_Awards) (!)

https://twitter.com/SethMacFarlane/status/1151199022624829440
It?s worth noting that, as the only broadcast network series on the FX nominations list,
#TheOrville was working with a fraction of the budget of its competitors.
The fact that this extraordinary team of artists achieved what they did speaks to their massive talent and dedication.

via https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2476627/seth-macfarlane-shares-why-the-orvilles-emmy-nomination-is-so-noteworthy

Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Darren Dirt on July 25, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
For those disappointed in Discovery, are you feeling hopeful about *Picard*?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9lvNHQzLQ

Because I am worried that it is not going to be novel writing at all, since in this teaser/trailer they reveal the return of a handful of familiar** characters [honestly, I was surprised that the "Admiral" he was speaking to WASN'T Janeway!]. Which tbh might be necessary for this particular story, then again I fear it might just be one of the risk-averse mistakes made by the decision makers for the new Star Wars trilogy (aka fear of not blatantly linking associating "new thing" with "old thing" via "hey I recognize that character / face / villain / joke / LINE" etc.)

Also, tough to hear Stewart's Old Man Voice, or is that just me? (Me, who has finally reached Season 3 of ST:TNG for my falling-asleep video watching)


** and that's just in the TRAILER! Look who else is back -- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8806524/fullcredits?#cast (LeVar Burton and Michael Dorn were too busy? ;) )
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on July 25, 2019, 03:57:25 PM
I'm going to reserve judgement but I'm not hopeful

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Title: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Lazybones on July 25, 2019, 05:33:49 PM
It looks more on point than Discovery style wise and looks like it will have to deal with a defeated / freed Borge and romulans without a home planet.

It has potential but not super hopeful.
Title: Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017
Post by: Mr. Analog on July 25, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
When I saw the karate kick I was checked out

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