http://www.collider.com/2010/06/13/ridley-scott-alien-prequel-blade-runner-hero-complex-film-festival/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Jockey_(Alien)
in other film industry news, "unnecessarysequelitis" spreads thru Hollywood...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1409024/news#ni2833219 , http://www.collider.com/2010/03/01/bill-murray-talks-ghostbusters-3-on-letterman/
I think this is a colossal mistake.
Part of the mystique of Alien is that there are no origins, the Alien is just a supreme force of nature.
Getting into backstory about the Space Jockey will weaken things significantly (again, look at how many novelized adaptations / comics have come and gone trying to fathom the origins and meaning of the Space Jockey with no single one hitting the mark.
I say, leave that chapter closed and work on something new.
Alien, GREAT movie, Aliens also a great movie...
ALL of the other ones sort of lost something in my mind... 3 being not as bad as 4 maybe? Then there is the super terrible AVP movie.
Please leave the series alone, it already has more BAD releases than good.
Quote from: Lazybones on June 14, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
Alien, GREAT movie, Aliens also a great movie...
ALL of the other ones sort of lost something in my mind... 3 being not as bad as 4 maybe? Then there is the super terrible AVP movie.
Please leave the series alone, it already has more BAD releases than good.
Alien: great "quiet" SciFi/thriller, underappreciated in this era of "loud/talky" scifi.
Aliens: great, tense, claustrophobic, kickass action/thriller, Cameron at the top of his form.
Alien[3+] : have not wasted my time seeing any of the rest.
Alien prequels announced above: considering in the interviewer Mr. Scott says it's the movie(s) he WANTED to make after the first Alien, I think it'll be more than just a money grab, it'll be an attempt to explore a different story in a different universe, kinda like how the Halo sequels told you more about things you got interested in during the first story. I hope that's what it ends up being, anyway, and I hope it excels in the STORYTELLING component, not the action/thriller element. Certainly don't need any more "duplicate the formula, it made lotsa money the first 1 or 2 times" movie sequels. In ANY series. Sorry, Billy Murray...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 14, 2010, 03:33:43 PM
in this era of "loud/talky" scifi.
After having delved headfirst into the world of 1950s/60s Sci-Fi of late I can tell you first hand that "overly talky" sci-fi has been with the genre since day 1 and in general it's the hallmark of a "B" (i.e. filler).
There are three major components to crappy sci-fi/monster movies (of all eras):
-Lots of talking
-
At least one love triangle
-They show the monster/talk about the "tech" too much
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 14, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
After having delved headfirst into the world of 1950s/60s Sci-Fi of late I can tell you first hand that "overly talky" sci-fi has been with the genre since day 1 and in general it's the hallmark of a "B" (i.e. filler).
There are three major components to crappy sci-fi/monster movies (of all eras):
-Lots of talking
-At least one love triangle
-They show the monster/talk about the "tech" too much
I'd take any above-average "B" scifi you describe above over the exposition-heavy Minority Report any day...
Especially after watching the Confused Matthew review ;)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 14, 2010, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 14, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
After having delved headfirst into the world of 1950s/60s Sci-Fi of late I can tell you first hand that "overly talky" sci-fi has been with the genre since day 1 and in general it's the hallmark of a "B" (i.e. filler).
There are three major components to crappy sci-fi/monster movies (of all eras):
-Lots of talking
-At least one love triangle
-They show the monster/talk about the "tech" too much
I'd take any above-average "B" scifi you describe above over the exposition-heavy Minority Report any day... Especially after watching the Confused Matthew review ;)
Minority Report wasn't a B-Movie. It had special effects, A-List actors (urge to use quotes there). What it WAS, was a train wreck of epic proportions...
But yes, I would prefer to watch
Catwomen on the Moon or
Conquest of Space than
Minority Report
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 15, 2010, 06:36:27 AM
Minority Report wasn't a B-Movie.
FYI I was saying Minority Report is an example of what today's directors think is "Sci Fi". Don't get me wrong, I wanted to like it, Philip K Dick + lotsa fast action + ??? = PROFIT usually... but as Matthew said, it had like 3 or 4 endings, too much talky, and not enough "what would you do in that situation?" moments (which is when Sci Fi hits it out of the park, i.e. why The Outer Limits was so watchable every freakin' week, and why ST:TOS is still rewatchable despite how badly it has "aged").
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 15, 2010, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 15, 2010, 06:36:27 AM
Minority Report wasn't a B-Movie.
FYI I was saying Minority Report is an example of what today's directors think is "Sci Fi". Don't get me wrong, I wanted to like it, Philip K Dick + lotsa fast action + ??? = PROFIT usually... but as Matthew said, it had like 3 or 4 endings, too much talky, and not enough "what would you do in that situation?" moments (which is when Sci Fi hits it out of the park, i.e. why The Outer Limits was so watchable every freakin' week, and why ST:TOS is still rewatchable despite how badly it has "aged").
I hear ya, basically Hollywood's idea of "science fiction" means a standard action or fantasy plot but with laser guns, robots, aliens or space ships.
I could come up with a ton of Sci-Fi premises that might make good movies but Hollywood has been stuck in neutral since about 1970 or so.
Why do I suddenly have the urge to watch "Moon" again.
Quote from: Lazybones on June 16, 2010, 02:50:11 AM
Why do I suddenly have the urge to watch "Moon" again.
Ooh ooh! You mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_(film)
Yeah!
Quote from: Mr. Analog on June 16, 2010, 07:00:53 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on June 16, 2010, 02:50:11 AM
Why do I suddenly have the urge to watch "Moon" again.
Ooh ooh! You mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_(film)
Yeah!
"The film currently holds an 89% "Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 167 reviews." Still haven't seen this one, okay so how about the first SciFi night includes something old and something "newish" (that has gotten mostly "Fresh" ratings) ... just a thought.
Its a pretty good film. Saw it in vancouver with Rae and Lazy. It actually gave me an idea for a scifi story I want to work on :o haven't started though.
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 14, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
in other film industry news, "unnecessarysequelitis" spreads thru Hollywood...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1409024/news#ni2833219 , http://www.collider.com/2010/03/01/bill-murray-talks-ghostbusters-3-on-letterman/
WHEW! (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/17781) (also, facepalm -- the "h" matters, Bill... GQ interview: Bill Murray apparently not a Seinfeld fan (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201008/bill-murray-dan-fierman-gq-interview))
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 21, 2010, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 14, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
in other film industry news, "unnecessarysequelitis" spreads thru Hollywood...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1409024/news#ni2833219 , http://www.collider.com/2010/03/01/bill-murray-talks-ghostbusters-3-on-letterman/
WHEW! (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/17781) (also, facepalm -- the "h" matters, Bill... GQ interview: Bill Murray apparently not a Seinfeld fan (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201008/bill-murray-dan-fierman-gq-interview))
That is both insane and very, very sad.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on July 21, 2010, 08:16:09 PM
That is both insane and very, very sad.
The fact that Bill Murray is pretty much saying "No, there will never be a Ghostbusters 3, even though the studio really REALLY wants to go to the well again with this franchise"? Or the fact that Bill Murray never saw an episode of Seinfeld until the series finale?
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 21, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on July 21, 2010, 08:16:09 PM
That is both insane and very, very sad.
The fact that Bill Murray is pretty much saying "No, there will never be a Ghostbusters 3, even though the studio really REALLY wants to go to the well again with this franchise"? Or the fact that Bill Murray never saw an episode of Seinfeld until the series finale?
The fact that Harold Ramis endorsed writers for crap like "Year One" ...
Maybe he should be kidnapped by Leutonian Nationals again.
For anyone who has seen the PROMETHEUS teaser trailer ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU ) -- especially on the big screen before Your Feature Presentation -- you'll get a kick out of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M
trailer for original Alien film -- in the STYLE of the Prometheus trailer. perfectly done.
Re-reading this thread makes me want to watch some classic sci-fi tonight...
Maybe This Island Earth or KRONOS...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 21, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
The fact that Bill Murray is pretty much saying "No, there will never be a Ghostbusters 3, even though the studio really REALLY wants to go to the well again with this franchise"? Or the fact that Bill Murray never saw an episode of Seinfeld until the series finale?
Well looks like officially "if there WILL be a G3, it will definitely be without me!"
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/03/01/bill-murray-wont-do-ghostbusters-3-dan-aykroyd-confirms/
It's like having The Three Musketeers without Arimus though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM
New trailer explains those white blooded androids.
augmented reality website now live: https://www.weylandindustries.com/
found via a "TED Talk from the year 2030"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb7gspHxZiI
(how the bleep did I never see this until now? it's been out there since end of February !?)
8th Generation Weyland TIPE android sale promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oU-yT4nfkY
I think "David" would make an excellent junior high social studies teacher!
...but still this amazing technology gonna inevitably lead to The End Of Mankind: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1541155/
Quote from: Darren Dirt on April 27, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
8th Generation Weyland TIPE android sale promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oU-yT4nfkY
I think "David" would make an excellent junior high social studies teacher!
...but still this amazing technology gonna inevitably lead to The End Of Mankind: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1541155/
Forget missing the Ted talk you missed my post with the android promo video.
Quote from: Lazybones on April 27, 2012, 02:13:47 PM
Forget missing the Ted talk you missed my post with the android promo video.
I'll start clicking your guys' links if you start clicking mine ;)
Also, (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Effects_of_sleep_deprivation.svg/300px-Effects_of_sleep_deprivation.svg.png) / (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-090haibulYI/TwRue1C-BYI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/l7PpuKRt-yg/s1600/800px-effects_of_sleep_deprivation-svg.png)
Add summaries dammit, then people will click (http://and_stop_assuming_we_read_urls).
Quote from: Mr. Analog on April 27, 2012, 05:43:07 PM
Add summaries dammit, then people will click (http://and_stop_assuming_we_read_urls).
Both of our links have both...
Honestly I don't follow many links because they are not ON TOPIC, but I do at least try and read the last post in a thread before posting to it.
So this Space Jockey of which you speak...
(j/k)
The latest launch trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1byZkbNB3Jw
"David" android ads + Joel McHale = AWESOMENESS
http://ca.eonline.com/videos/the-soups-prometheus-w-joel-mchale/184947
I was chatting with one of my online buds last night and this movie will piss you off if you are an Alien fan and it will piss you off if you aren't an Alien fan because it gives you no new insight into the Jockey AND it raises further questions.
There is also some serious retconning that I won't discuss in case you DO actually want to see this ... film.
His words: This is the "Phantom Menace" of the Alien series...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on June 08, 2012, 12:40:08 AM
"David" android ads + Joel McHale = AWESOMENESS
http://ca.eonline.com/videos/the-soups-prometheus-w-joel-mchale/184947
Ok so I'm going to give you some constructive criticism (I hope) here my friend. Why? Cause I really think sometimes you might have some really kewl stuff to share with us, but franky I think most people just ignore your links.
Something that makes no sense + Random Name = Exclamation Point when used in so many post is not cleaver or inviting. Seriously man... give an explanation. From the line above I am thinking Android phones had an Ad for David that somehow brings up Joel McHale (which I have no idea who is).
I followed the link, and the only thing I can gather is that they are making fun of an android. I assume, being I haven't seen any "David" ads, that this is making fun of some movie promotions of Prometheus, and would have worked better if you had said:
QuoteHey you guys seen those Prometheus ads with the David android ([Link])? I found this pretty funny when going through E-Online with their Soups clips.
http://ca.eonline.com/videos/the-soups-prometheus-w-joel-mchale/184947
See now I have context, thought linkage and understanding of link I am trying to share with everyone. Brain dumps are fine sometimes, and cleaver sentences can be a flavour text once and a while. But in all seriousness, I really skip most of your posts with links cause I find the context and information given most of the time isn't enough to grasp my attention. Rather I scan your posts, sadly I mostly don't read them, as there usually isn't much meat there just point form or hash tag stuff that more annoys than invites.
I hope this isn't to harsh or pointed, but I really want to get this point home. Forums are supposed to be a discussion place, interactive with the community it contains. More than any other poster, you have topics that are just your initial post or you replying to your own posts. That says something to me right there, and I think it should say something to you as well.
Or I'm off my rocker.
Ooch, that was pretty harsh, I'm gonna raise my hand and say that I've been a bit hard on DD lately too but still...
I watched it early this morning but didn't comment my bad, it was funny, the connection to Alien is in the viral marketing videos for "David" the android.
So if you weren't up on the viral marketing for this one the parody falls flat.
The actor is a bigger name over at CollegeHumor (if you watch The Soup).
We cool, all of us bring little esoteric things to the plate, like a well done Reccardi pose in a Kricfalusi layout (see, there's something only I will enjoy)
Quote from: Melbosa on June 08, 2012, 08:09:24 AM
I followed the link, and the only thing I can gather is that they are making fun of an android. I assume, being I haven't seen any "David" ads, that this is making fun of some movie promotions of Prometheus, and would have worked better if you had said:
QuoteHey you guys seen those Prometheus ads with the David android ([Link])? I found this pretty funny when going through E-Online with their Soups clips.
http://ca.eonline.com/videos/the-soups-prometheus-w-joel-mchale/184947
Well I would say that within
the Context of this thread it wasn't a bad link, considering the "David" video had been linked TWICE already in the thread. However a little explanation is always nice.
Quote from: Melbosa on June 08, 2012, 08:09:24 AM
Or I'm off my rocker.
No I think you are just a little grouchy this morning. ;D
Quote from: Lazybones on June 08, 2012, 08:42:24 AM
Well I would say that within the Context of this thread it wasn't a bad link, considering the "David" video had been linked TWICE already in the thread. However a little explanation is always nice.
Well you got me there as I purposely haven't been watching any trailer links cause I want to not spoil the movie myself. Although looking back, only once was "David" mentioned in the posts so I guess I did miss that. My bad on that part.
Quote from: Lazybones on June 08, 2012, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: Melbosa on June 08, 2012, 08:09:24 AM
I haven't seen any "David" ads
Well I would say that within the Context of this thread it wasn't a bad link, considering the "David" video had been linked TWICE already in this thread.
:cough:
Quote from: Lazybones on April 27, 2012, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on April 27, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
8th Generation Weyland TIPE android sale promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oU-yT4nfkY
I think "David" would make an excellent junior high social studies teacher!
...but still this amazing technology gonna inevitably lead to The End Of Mankind: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1541155/
Forget missing the Ted talk you missed my post with the android promo video.
yeah normally I would say {if you haven't seen the [link]"David" android fake ads[/link] you should watch them before watching this funny parody from Joel "The Soup, and also an NBC sitcom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_(TV_series)#Cast_and_characters) that it seems the cool thing to say you watch all the time" McHale} but I was kinda on brainfog/melt at the time I posted it so I apologize for being as unclear as my usual standard level of unclearyness.
Well from my perspective we cool, it was a great parody too if no one else actually watched, worth checkin' out
Well, Bob sums up my feelings:
http://angryflower.com/premet.html
Blade Runner and Prometheus exist in the same world (http://collider.com/prometheus-blade-runner-connection/200699/)
(same director, so not really shocking this is being easteregg'd)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on March 22, 2012, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 21, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
The fact that Bill Murray is pretty much saying "No, there will never be a Ghostbusters 3, even though the studio really REALLY wants to go to the well again with this franchise"? Or the fact that Bill Murray never saw an episode of Seinfeld until the series finale?
Well looks like officially "if there WILL be a G3, it will definitely be without me!"
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/03/01/bill-murray-wont-do-ghostbusters-3-dan-aykroyd-confirms/
gee, THANKS Bill! Guess what, now Ivan is all like "I'm just gonna take my franchise-ball home, rip it all up and start over completely with an all-new Ghostbusters remake that will star all new Ghostbusters who won't have annoying hesitations or integrity" and whatnot.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/ivan-reitman-now-threatening-to-just-remake-ghostb,85373/
NOT ANOTHER REBOOT
augh!!
Before Damon Lindelof got a hold of it and mangled it beyond recognition, curious what "Prometheus" might have been?
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/60566/look-version-prometheus-we-almost-saw-aliens-and-chestbursters-included
(Jon Spaihts, the original screenwriter -- interview (http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563))
Quote from: Darren Dirt on October 22, 2012, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on March 22, 2012, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 21, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
The fact that Bill Murray is pretty much saying "No, there will never be a Ghostbusters 3, even though the studio really REALLY wants to go to the well again with this franchise"? Or the fact that Bill Murray never saw an episode of Seinfeld until the series finale?
Well looks like officially "if there WILL be a G3, it will definitely be without me!"
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/03/01/bill-murray-wont-do-ghostbusters-3-dan-aykroyd-confirms/
gee, THANKS Bill! Guess what, now Ivan is all like "I'm just gonna take my franchise-ball home, rip it all up and start over completely with an all-new Ghostbusters remake that will star all new Ghostbusters who won't have annoying hesitations or integrity" and whatnot.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/ivan-reitman-now-threatening-to-just-remake-ghostb,85373/
Ghostbusters 3 -- for sure coming soon, check out Dan Aykroyd talking with Larry King in May 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcnCP4H7Cvo
(and 4 years previous -- Harold Ramis chatting about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp95Y0jlWYA )
and back on the subject of
"hey let's make a sequel to THAT" - Nobody movies...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2334867
r u effin kidding me?
... Ghostbusters 3 I'm okay with, that other thing? That hurts me Darren, hurts me deep.
Make the hurting stop...
HAHAHA sequel to Twins.
Damn, I remember being entertained by Twins.
(http://i.imgur.com/N2xqsAf.jpg)
Quote from: Thorin on October 21, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
HAHAHA sequel to Twins.
Damn, I remember being entertained by Twins.
Whenever I use my microwave I think "I LOVE `NUKED` FOOD!" ;D
Quote from: Mr. Analog on October 21, 2013, 01:07:54 PM
... Ghostbusters 3 I'm okay with, that other thing? That hurts me Darren, hurts me deep.
Make the hurting stop...
Does THIS help?
"Beetlejuice 2 was confirmed a few days ago."
-comment @ Movies That Deserve Sequels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryeJwmIwdY)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on October 28, 2013, 07:36:25 PM
"Beetlejuice 2 was confirmed a few days ago."
-comment @ Movies That Deserve Sequels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryeJwmIwdY)
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/19/winona-ryder-talks-beatlejuice-sequel
still happening. (!)
"It's 27 years later..." (!!!)
That is one of those movies that should NOT have a sequel since I think it really was a good one off..
The cartoon was a good separate fun exploration of additional ideas.
Quote from: Lazybones on November 19, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
That is one of those movies that should NOT have a sequel since I think it really was a good one off..
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/sequel-planned-for-classic-christmas-movie-its-a/326174
^ "classic Christmas movie It's A..."
Spoiler
...Wonderful Money-Grab?
Quote from: Lazybones on November 19, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
That is one of those movies that should NOT have a sequel since I think it really was a good one off..
The cartoon was a good separate fun exploration of additional ideas.
Agreed
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 19, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: Lazybones on November 19, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
That is one of those movies that should NOT have a sequel since I think it really was a good one off..
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/sequel-planned-for-classic-christmas-movie-its-a/326174
^ "classic Christmas movie It's A..."
Spoiler
...Wonderful Money-Grab?
Whyyyyyyyyy !!!
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 20, 2013, 06:48:21 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 19, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/sequel-planned-for-classic-christmas-movie-its-a/326174
^ "classic Christmas movie It's A..."
Spoiler
...Wonderful Money-Grab?
Whyyyyyyyyy !!!
Becau$e!
I'd say "I wish Hollywood would create more original works" but then I'd be :badh:
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 20, 2013, 09:26:06 AM
"I wish Hollywood would create more original works"
like THESE! http://acidcow.com/pics/53056-movies-you-should-watch-17-pics.html
Ahh I was hoping they'd be new films...
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 20, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Ahh I was hoping they'd be new films...
"new" to the under-twenty-fives, I reckon!
Definitely not just reboots/remakes/sequels though... creative film-making at its modern finest (not a complete list by any means, but a good selection for those into emotionally stirring or mentally challenging storytelling experiences on the big screen).
Yeah but stuff like Rushmore is 15 years old already (which, personally, I find terrifying G'GAH!)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 20, 2013, 09:18:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 20, 2013, 06:48:21 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 19, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/sequel-planned-for-classic-christmas-movie-its-a/326174
^ "classic Christmas movie It's A..."
Spoiler
...Wonderful Money-Grab?
Whyyyyyyyyy !!!
Becau$e!
http://arts.nationalpost.com/2013/11/21/its-a-wonderful-life-sequel-wont-fly-without-paramounts-blessing/
Quote
Fans outraged that a sequel to a beloved holiday film is in the works are no longer out in the cold.
A spokeswoman for Paramount Pictures, who owns the rights to "It's a Wonderful Life," said Wednesday that the studio would fight a group of producers who are working on a follow-up to the 1946 holiday classic.
GOOD NEWS! #whew
Quote
"No project relating to It's a Wonderful Life can proceed without a license from Paramount," the studio noted in a statement after Star Partners and Hummingbird Productions announced their sequel plans Monday. "To date, these individuals have not obtained any of the necessary rights, and we would take all appropriate steps to protect those rights."
...wait a minute, that's not quite the same thing as "it will never happen" :(
Nothing is ever truly dead, it just lives on in Frankenstein form until someone is willing to produce it lol
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 19, 2013, 04:54:55 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/19/winona-ryder-talks-beatlejuice-sequel
still happening. (!)
"It's 27 years later..." (!!!)
...then again, a few months later (17Feb2014):
Quote from: http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/02/beetlejuice-sequel-michael-keaton/
...two-thirds of the original Beetlejuice writing team is dead, and chanting their names in the mirror isn?t going to help a sequel along... not even Kevin Smith wanted to ride the terrible-sequels gravy train, and turned down an offer to screenwrite ... we can expect Beetlejuice 2 to hit the cinema about the same time as Ghostbusters 3. #rimshot #probablyTrue
for once, some reboots/relaunches that I am okay with!
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/11/5-best-episodes-tales-darkside-prepare-new-reboot
A reboot of the classic and often funny TFTDS ... and also Who's Line is coming back!
Wha, neat!
Who ya gonna call? Ghostbust-hers! (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/10/08/paul-feig-ghostbusters-female/)
This sounds kinda cool actually
Since this seems to be the best thread that focuses on "sequel-itis" and the lack of creativity and risk-taking in the film industry...
[based on...]
Quote from: Darren Dirt on November 20, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 20, 2013, 09:26:06 AM
"I wish Hollywood would create more original works"
like THESE! http://acidcow.com/pics/53056-movies-you-should-watch-17-pics.html
[/based on...]
I gotta ask, has anyone seen the indie film "Rubber"? (added to Netflix recently!)
I rather like the "Youtube Explained" guy's take on this film -- he explains it as basically a satire addressing the issue of artistic integrity in the film industry (and how the audience eats up whatever pablum is fed to them, often a watered down version thanks to Suits and Bean Counters trying to get a larger audience aka more $$$). (My summary of his take, not his words.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4fSzZPRlNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4fSzZPRlNs)
The ending shot (with a bunch of slightly-different-but-mostly-the-same tires in sight of the Hollywood sign) especially makes it obvious that
this is not about a rubber tire going on a killing spreee (for "no reason"), the tire could have been anything!
Prometheus *explained* -- seriously, not joking (with REAL answers!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q
^ Instead of taking the easy way out and joining in the masses tearing apart alleged plot holes and flawed logic, these guys took a stab at something different and, imo, actually did a pretty darn good job addressing apparent issues with this film.
...then again, as "DaveDexterMusic6" commented: "a) Prometheus isn't misunderstood, it's just @%&# and b) if a movie needs a half-hour video explaining why it's good then it's not
idk, whatevs. But more unique film analysis from these guys @ https://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel/videos
And re. Prometheus explanations, I also found this IMDB thread with a ton of "answers" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/board/nest/248692646?d=248770218#248770218
Quote from: Darren Dirt on October 08, 2014, 08:57:01 PM
Who ya gonna call? Ghostbust-hers! (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/10/08/paul-feig-ghostbusters-female/)
Quote from: Mr. Analog on October 08, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
This sounds kinda cool actually
YOU'D THINK THAT WOULDN'T YOU!
But alas.
If only Paul Feig actually directed a completely written script.
https://youtu.be/HUEKreyTkvA?t=2539
^ this "Half in the Bag" review can save you 90 minutes and 15 bucks.
I've heard mixed reviews, it is solidly on my "watch on Netflix" list heh
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Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 01, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
I've heard mixed reviews, it is solidly on my "watch on Netflix" list heh
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Do you mean Prometheus?
Because the new current release crappy Ghostbusters epic fail* is what I was talking about. Stupid place for me discussing it, I admit, sorry for confusion.
* rarity: the user ratings are WAY worse than those of "critics" (although those are pretty bad too)
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/ghostbusters-2016
#lolwow #SJWftl
This detailed review by none other than Richard freakin' Roeper calmly and reasonably summarizes its many flaws... and a bunch of fragile flowers and special snowflakes on the internet decided for doing this he is racist/sexist or something :rolleyes:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-reboot-a-horrifying-mess/
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-hater-roeper-ive-had-a-dose-of-some-freaky-posts/
Quote from: Darren Dirt on August 01, 2016, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 01, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
I've heard mixed reviews, it is solidly on my "watch on Netflix" list heh
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Do you mean Prometheus?
No I mean Ghostbusters 2016 (but yeah Prometheus is a Netflix only dump-fest IMO)
I've heard a variety of reviews from people I know running the gamut from good to @%&#, from my perspective it commits the worst cinematic sin of all; it takes a great franchise and produces a just "meh" movie, like so many other designer blockbusters this year that leaned more on the bust side than the block side.
I will give Sony this, their viral marketing campaign designed to charge social media with gender politics was genius, hell WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT and the explosion of exposure over this forgettable movie has put it on peoples radar, though this campaign has failed at the box office the seeds have been planted for the secondary markets (like streaming services) for people who want to see if it's good or bad without actually going to the theater.
The film really is just weak and not really worth going out of your way to see, not unlike Pixels from last year (I loved that they called this "Pixels 2" heh) but this is what I've come to expect from most reboots these days. The only pleasant surprise over the last few years has been Star Wars which, as the video points out, respected the fans, passes the torch and still comes out fresh.
Well speak of the devil, this is what I've been saying for a while now:
https://youtu.be/UWROBiX1eSc
"The tiny crazy sector is very loud" and of course Sony ran with it for marketing purposes.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 02, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
The film really is just weak and not really worth going out of your way to see, not unlike Pixels from last year (I loved that they called this "Pixels 2" heh) but this is what I've come to expect from most reboots these days. The only pleasant surprise over the last few years has been Star Wars which, as the video points out, respected the fans, passes the torch and still comes out fresh.
heh, glad you actually watched the video I linked to -- many of the comments there said it was far more entertaining, and funny, than Ghostbusthers :) The Red Letter Media guys are still going strong without becoming formulaic, hooray!
edit: WOW, that extra video you linked was... by Red Letter Media! :D why didn't I see that?
EDIT to edit: oh, it was posted AUGUST 2ND. That mansplains it!
Since my last post I watched Half In The Bag episodes 55 right through to their latest (#113) ... my eyeballs and brain hurts. But I laughed a TON. (There's an ongoing "story arc" that bookends each episode! Genius... and brutal how it ends ;) )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4u-HLm8maE&list=PL34C1F26D03F5F9B8&index=67
Quote from: Darren Dirt on August 02, 2016, 09:04:07 PM
heh, glad you actually watched the video I linked to -- many of the comments there said it was far more entertaining, and funny, than Ghostbusthers :) The Red Letter Media guys are still going strong without becoming formulaic, hooray!
I guess failure is no obstacle to buying into repeatedly PC BS ...
http://deadline.com/2016/08/oceans-eight-rihanna-anne-hathaway-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-awkwafina-helena-bonham-carter-mindy-kaling-1201801342/
"What?s next, 12 ANGRY WOMEN?" <-- one comment
That actually sounds like a good concept though so???
Quote from: Mr. Analog on August 10, 2016, 11:22:38 AM
That actually sounds like a good concept though so???
IMO this is dangerous territory for investing a few hundred million into production/marketing. The reason Ocean's 11/12/13 were actually pretty successful was because they were FUN entertainment with interesting characters that had chemistry amongst each other. It was never about them being a certain gender.
The *stunt* casting for this new "8" possible film seems to be less about who might click together, and more about who will get the Twitterverse speculating about every aspect of the project until it finally gets released (after a dozen "test audience" feedback edits, of course).
I mean, most roles undertaken by ANY of Rihanna or Anne Hathaway or Sandra Bullock -- or even arguably Cate Blanchett or Helena Bonham Carter -- have been less than memorable, and those actresses in those roles could have been easily replaced by any of a handful of other potentials at the time of production. Imagine an ensemble of that kind of "talent".
Hollyweird is just a chicken-@%&# producer of relatively safe IP reusage now. :(
/GrumpyOldManMode
?????????
The original
Ocean's Eleven (1960) was a mix of actors / musicians this is the same but with contemporary actors / musicians
QuoteThe reason Ocean's 11/12/13 were actually pretty successful was because they were FUN entertainment with interesting characters that had chemistry amongst each other.
How is this any different?
Quoterelatively safe IP reusage
Now THAT'S the actual problem, the entertainment industry in general is taking a hit thanks to the internet, not because of piracy but because it has taken over as a source of entertainment. As a result Hollywood (etc) is doing less risky things like making original movies (or even making interesting movies.)
I reckon more time has been spent by people
complaining about Ghostbusters 2016 than the collective viewing time of the actual film, but that's the world we live in. People love to bitch, and they love to bitch online and social media people hired by the industry
love it because it functions as a way to advertise @%&# for very little investment with just a bit of nudging.
The difference is in the individuals, I guess that's a pretty subjective thing.
IIRC when the Ocean's 11 remake was talked about in advance, most of the known cast each had a certain expectation based on how they had previously appeared on-screen, in terms of personality, you know, "presence". It was clearly going to be a fun little ride. You would expect some *chemistry* amongst the A-listers, and some quirky silliness with the secondary characters, etc.
And it delivered, the dialog plus the actors.
Maybe it's this type of subgenre, the heist film, but imo most of the specific actresses mentioned don't seem a good fit. Again, subjective thing.
I mean, why not have an ensemble film with this new cast that is a different IP, so they don't have to go through a similar heist story that will of course be compared to the original and the remake... #SafeMoviesAreNoFun
Ghostbusthers: no profit, no sequel.
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/763392944036425731
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-heading-70m-loss-sequel-918515
"Heading for $70M-Plus Loss"
As of Aug. 7, Ghostbusters had earned just under $180 million at the global box office, including $117 million domestic. The film still hasn't opened in a few markets, including France, Japan and Mexico, but box-office experts say it will have trouble getting to $225 million despite a hefty net production budget of $144 million plus a big marketing spend. The studio has said break-even would be $300 million.
re. The Prometheus sequel "Alien: Covenant" -- some news if anyone cares...
The human survivor (Elizabeth "terrible scientist, amazing blood clotting" Shaw) might not be returning; one IMDB'er says "they're still in the process of casting the main roles -- it picks up 10 years after the events of Prometheus, with a new crew stumbling upon the remains of the Prometheus ship and the planet's sole inhabitant, Fassbender's David"
from this thread http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/board/nest/262089122?d=262096899#262096899
Coming back to Prometheus... which I STILL haven't seen yet, I have to say I'm curious still and it's on my watch list. If for the only reason to see if Ridley Scott has still "got it" (my guess is "sorta?")
I can't say I'm surprised there's gonna be a sequel what with all the monies it made, it would be a shame if they break continuity with characters though but I suspect that's as not important to the producers as it is to us
I recently re-watched the "Alien" movies I own (which is to say the first three; Dark Star, Alien and Aliens) out of curiosity I looked up other films in the series to see if I had the urge to actually re-watch them... I actually kind of forgot Alien: Resurrection even existed ... also that Joss Whedon wrote it (how!?) I don't feel that the series could be damaged after some of the clunkers that have been associated with them (like Terminator!)
Maybe I'll put it on my insomnia list... to watch later
Oh yeah (OT) speaking of unnecessary movies, the four sequels to Avatar are set to begin filming next year
Finally more nonsensical giant sexy smurf action (I hear the bad guy gets TWO MUGS in the next one!)
Prometheus is worth watching at least once, VISUALLY it excels and has a few neat ideas. Tone overall feels like something out of the 80s or 90s at times even.
Just imo execution or editing is a bit meh, I mean the story has mothership-sized plot holes that make watching CinemaSins afterwards mandatory but fun!
It's a bit under-rated because of those plot problems, which really boil down to flawed characters. Watch without seeing the trailers and you'll enjoy the ride.
Sequel happening a decade later = might be to make it more accessible to those who didn't bother with the first...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on August 10, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
Ghostbusthers: no profit, no sequel.
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/763392944036425731
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-heading-70m-loss-sequel-918515
"Heading for $70M-Plus Loss"
As of Aug. 7, Ghostbusters had earned just under $180 million at the global box office, including $117 million domestic. The film still hasn't opened in a few markets, including France, Japan and Mexico, but box-office experts say it will have trouble getting to $225 million despite a hefty net production budget of $144 million plus a big marketing spend. The studio has said break-even would be $300 million.
A new year, and a new PERSPECTIVE on this mess.
At least we got a FANTASTIC hour-long Mr. Plinkett out of it! Solid analysis, very very cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHUV8QLpEAc
very cool 8)
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 14, 2016, 02:59:15 PM
Coming back to Prometheus... which I STILL haven't seen yet, I have to say I'm curious still and it's on my watch list. If for the only reason to see if Ridley Scott has still "got it" (my guess is "sorta?")
I am guessing you have seen it by now.
And probably was just as underwhelmed / disappointed as most of us. These characters were supposed to be *scientists* FFS...
Plenty of interesting "analysis" videos on YouTube since its release though, making it seem to be not nearly as bad a film as it felt the first viewing.
HOWEVER, I just saw "Alien: Covenant" last night and dammit I really enjoyed it, very tense in the right moments, a nice balance of comic relief (and Danny McBride was NOT the source of every laugh, which was a nice surprise). At the end of it I realized my stomach was almost sore from all the tightening up -- instead of my eyes hurting from rolling so often like Promotheus. And it is not an exaggeration to say by the 3rd act you realize that the REAL monster is not the "aliens". Heck, almost had a Black Mirror feeling when a certain realization hit.
Also there's a twist in a certain scene that I kinda expected but it's not super obvious so my brother commented on how it surprised him. The storyline was that much better than Prometheus, that it could have went either way. So yeah IMO recommended, overall a much tighter production than "Promotheus" and not nearly as bad as some silly reviewers might have said (can't remember if it was RLM or maybe Cinema Sins... but IIRC many of their complaints/comments seemed to completely ignore or forget the fact of the whole "David" storyline -- can't say more because spoilers.)
Prometheus was a train wreck and I don't think I want to watch any more Alien movies after that. It was stupid, the concept behind it is stupid and it made me stupider for having seen it. I award it no points, and may God have mercy on its soul.
Alien and Aliens is basically all I care to re-watch at this point, life goo ancient astronauts was a good X-Files story arc but a @%&#ty Alien one
Quote from: Mr. Analog on January 03, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
Prometheus was a train wreck and I don't think I want to watch any more Alien movies after that. It was stupid, the concept behind it is stupid and it made me stupider for having seen it. I award it no points, and may God have mercy on its soul.
Alien and Aliens is basically all I care to re-watch at this point, life goo ancient astronauts was a good X-Files story arc but a @%&#ty Alien one
Funny you should that. ALIENS is actually what I was reminded of at least a couple times during Convenant. Maybe it's the editing or camera work, but it created the same kind of claustrophobic tension a lot of scenes.
Also, I was reminded a little bit -- and in a good way -- of the third act of "Watchmen". I mean, David even quotes the Ozymandias poem (and it ties into the plot, it's not just artsy fartsy pretentious bad writing)... so it's not just mindless action movie, there's a pretty coherent and surprisingly interesting sci fi plot here too. That coulda worked as a 1990s Outer Limits episode too (or maybe even Black Mirror) even if you removed the "Aliens" element.
Since this thread has much talk about "Ghostbusters: ATC", and with the recent announcement of the "ALL GRRRLZ" Terminator film... Sharing this here.
Take a look at this excellent, calm, level-headed, fact-filled article about "she-boots" being a bad idea.
https://medium.com/@matthewkadish/why-all-female-reboots-do-not-work-storycraft-5d5b6658dfa
The first page or two is full of disclaimers and pre-emptive clarifications against attacks by presumptuous feminists calling the author misogynistic etc. Sad that in this time in history that's pretty much mandatory for the subject.
Quote
...for those of you who may already be offended by this essay?s title, let me state up front:
I am not saying female characters are bad.
I am not saying female actresses cannot carry a movie.
I am not saying audiences reject female-centric stories.
I am not, in any way, shape, or form, trying to prove that women are inferior to men.
...
But the article is really good, has a lot of interesting** numbers on a whole lot of different aspects of the film industry, genres, and yes gender.
And it is a reminder that, from a business point of view at the very least, you may start from a place of good intentions, but it is critical to avoid the now-common mistake of diving deep into the territory of blind alienation/vilification of a large part of your possible[/historical] audience.
**for example: Comedy is tops, and petty much equal for men and women. And all variants of "action" seem to do better than romance, but westerns as a genre do worse than erotica.
I make no illusions that the industry mostly just chases whatever the accountants think is bankable which is why I think "the blockbuster" style movie needs to die. Going back and watching movies from the 70s is refreshing, and there are still good movies out there gettin' made, they just aren't all that popular with the people who feed the industry right now.
My last 2 years of NetFlix non-documentary film viewing is like 2 or 3 well known flicks then 1 low budget indie scifi... The latter is about 90% thumbs up. Not true for the former.
Quote from: Darren Dirt on September 02, 2018, 07:03:02 PM
My lasy 2 years of NetFlix non-documentary film viewing is like 2 or 3 well known flicks then 1 low budget indie scifi... The latter is about 90% thumbs up. Not true for the former.
I'm just thankful for the variety we have now