...you probably have, without knowing it.
"Food, Inc." trailer (http://www.newsweek.com/id/40211#?l=1830065073&t=26189458001)
Nice change, though, by the sound of the trailer it's actually a HOPEFUL-themed film (i.e. at the end you don't feel full of doom and gloom, instead you might actually want to do something...)
Not exactly a controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food,_Inc.)-free film, that's for sure...
Lots of things have High-fructose corn syrup in it.. so its not exactly surprising. Is that what thats about? The page didn't seem to load properly, didn't see a video there to watch.
Try going a day without consuming additional salt or sugar.
Quote from: Tom on June 30, 2009, 08:00:31 PM
The page didn't seem to load properly, didn't see a video there to watch.
'ing MSNBC... try this. (http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=food+inc+trailer&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=FOod%2C+Inc#) Also the Wikipedia page describes the 3 sections of the documentary. Not just corn syrup, but cornmeal and other corn-based filler products are in everything it seems :o Corn is big (subsidized!) business...
oh, and on the subject of food awareness...
"Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive Foods" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214100593069532942) (mmmm... A chocolately Cheesey Meaty Pizza would taste so good right now...)
Quote from: Lazybones on June 30, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
Try going a day without consuming additional salt or sugar.
Will you bet me money that I can? I'd have no problem going 24 hours without eating...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 01, 2009, 08:15:56 AM
Not just corn syrup, but cornmeal and other corn-based filler products are in everything it seems :o Corn is big (subsidized!) business...
Yes. Now here's something you might find interesting: Demand for ethanol has boomed as it's being touted the next big "gasoline". Ethanol is usually made from corn in the US. Corn is therefore a good crop to grow, and farmers want it to grow as quick and as big as possible to maximize their yield and thus their return on investment. To grow the corn quickly, farmers are applying a lot of fertilizer. Because of this, the price of fertilizer has skyrocketed and farmers in Canada are now looking for cheaper fertilizer from other countries. Why is all this important? Well, Churchill, Manitoba, made history when it received it's first shipment from Russia
ever, a shipment of cheap fertilizer (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/article788501.ece)!
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Friday, Apr. 03, 2009
The Russian ship slipped into Canada's northern seaport under the cover of darkness yesterday, and its arrival was hailed as an historic step in the construction of an Arctic bridge between the two countries.
The Kapitan Sviridov docked in Churchill, Man., yesterday morning, having sailed from Estonia loaded with bags of fertilizer destined for sale to North American farmers. It's the first time the port has accepted imports from Russia.
[..]
"As ice continues to melt, this is potentially the shortest route connecting North America to Eurasia," Mr. Berk said. "If we expand and connect Churchill with Murmansk, an ice-free, year-round port, we're talking about creating a bridge that will link North American markets with increasingly important Eurasian markets. It's also the closest route for transporting goods from Asia to the Midwestern United States directly, bypassing the bottlenecks of congested ports in the Pacific. When one starts to think about these issues combined, the opportunity is tremendous."
[..]
The fertilizer that arrived yesterday was bought by the Farmers of North America, a Saskatchewan-based co-operative. The ethanol boom has driven fertilizer prices sky high, so the potential exists for much cheaper fertilizer to be brought from Eastern Europe at lower cost.
What I find really funny is that the global warming scare is causing us to try and use non-oil products that in turn cause commodity prices to rise that in turn cause us to import things from
further away using
more fossil fuels. Meanwhile, the corn farmers of the midwest US are laughing all the way to the bank.
...at least they aren't farming a commodity that the US gubmint actually PAYS THEM to DESTROY... sorta an anti-subsidy (in order to keep "price controls" working)
Can you elaborate?
Quote from: Thorin on July 01, 2009, 06:41:41 PM
Yes. Now here's something you might find interesting: Demand for ethanol has boomed as it's being touted the next big "gasoline". Ethanol is usually made from corn in the US. Corn is therefore a good crop to grow, and farmers want it to grow as quick and as big as possible to maximize their yield and thus their return on investment.
Accept, that ethanol may be wrecking fuel lines, and gastanks http://www.practical-sailor.com/tools/ethanol-fuel-and-outboard-engines.html
It also requires almost as much fuel and energy to harvest and process as it produces making it one of the dirtier fuels over all environmentally.
There is also not enough farmland in all of the US to meet the USs own fuel demands.
Quote from: Thorin on July 02, 2009, 08:42:46 AM
Can you elaborate?
http://www.google.com/search?q=us+farmers+paid+not+to+farm
http://www.google.com/search?q=us+farmers+paid+to+destroy+crops
for example,
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Farmers in America did well out of the New Deal. The farmers of America did not prosper in the so-called Roaring Twenties. They were simply too successful in that they produced far too much for the American market. With western Europe as a market effectively closed to them as a result of a tariff war, the farmers could only sell in America. Too much product for too few people caused prices to plummet.
- http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/New_Deal_farmers.htm
I agree with you, Lazy, that it's not a viable substitute. Decision makers in the American government don't see it that way, though, so ethanol continues to be in demand, corn continues to be used for ethanol, and fertilizer prices are skyrocketing because of its use for growing corn.
Darren, that first Google search came up with three links about the US government paying people not to farm, then two links about the European Union doing the same thing... So it's not a US-only forehead-smacker.
Quote from: Thorin on July 02, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
I agree with you, Lazy, that it's not a viable substitute. Decision makers in the American government don't see it that way, though, so ethanol continues to be in demand, corn continues to be used for ethanol, and fertilizer prices are skyrocketing because of its use for growing corn.
Darren, that first Google search came up with three links about the US government paying people not to farm, then two links about the European Union doing the same thing... So it's not a US-only forehead-smacker.
If one group does it, others have to or your farmers complain.
Well they don't jhave to. Just look at how under-supported Canadian farmers are (compared to the US and the EU). I mean, we're buying our fertilizer from Russia? Why can't we just buy the same fertilizer the Americans can afford?!
Quote from: Thorin on July 03, 2009, 09:37:10 AM
Well they don't jhave to. Just look at how under-supported Canadian farmers are (compared to the US and the EU). I mean, we're buying our fertilizer from Russia? Why can't we just buy the same fertilizer the Americans can afford?!
Ah, you are right. But the Canadian gov't couldn't care less about central or western canada. So its hardly a surprise they won't help the farmers, or compete with other countries as much.
Quote from: Lazybones on June 30, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
Try going a day without consuming additional salt or sugar.
Ooh ooh, that's what I'm trying to do and it's @%&#in' hard. I dropped caffeine, alcohol, refined sugars and pretty much anything with a high carb count.
Yeah, at lunch time if I forgot to bring something I go to Sobey's and buy a friggin' bag-o-salad...
...except today, where I had CFL... bad me... bad.
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Quote from: Lazybones on June 30, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
Try going a day without consuming additional salt or sugar.
Ooh ooh, that's what I'm trying to do and it's @%&#in' hard. I dropped caffeine, alcohol, refined sugars and pretty much anything with a high carb count.
Yeah, at lunch time if I forgot to bring something I go to Sobey's and buy a friggin' bag-o-salad...
...except today, where I had CFL... bad me... bad.
Respect, bro -- I'm having trouble not having a sugary treat at the 2pm-3pm window most afternoons, so I'm impressed with what you said above (delayed New Years resolution? ;) )
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 07, 2009, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on July 06, 2009, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Lazybones on June 30, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
Try going a day without consuming additional salt or sugar.
Ooh ooh, that's what I'm trying to do and it's @%&#in' hard. I dropped caffeine, alcohol, refined sugars and pretty much anything with a high carb count.
Yeah, at lunch time if I forgot to bring something I go to Sobey's and buy a friggin' bag-o-salad...
...except today, where I had CFL... bad me... bad.
Respect, bro -- I'm having trouble not having a sugary treat at the 2pm-3pm window most afternoons, so I'm impressed with what you said above (delayed New Years resolution? ;) )
Nah, just time for a change... the big one I miss is caffeine surprisingly. I was pretty moody the first week I dropped it.
Remember, most salad dressings have sugar or salt or both. Gotta read the label, ain't it fun? It's like a peanut allergy, 'cept ya don't go to the hospital if ya didn't read close enough.
Quote from: Thorin on July 07, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
Remember, most salad dressings have sugar or salt or both. Gotta read the label, ain't it fun? It's like a peanut allergy, 'cept ya don't go to the hospital if ya didn't read close enough.
Avoiding added sugar and salt in packaged food products = difficult. A close second is trying to avoid wheat/gluten, it's amazing how many products you would not expect have gluten maybe cuz it acts like a thickener (i.e. "glu") or something (I suspect I have a wheat allergy been fighting for years and quite recently has gotten worse, thus the avoidance... although local health food store had a "gluten digest" pill that I eat before bread/pizza/pasta meals and it helps a lot.)
I suggest if you think you have an allergy that you get tested! Too many people try to self-medicate only to find out fifteen years later that they were dead-wrong and completely destroyed their liver/colon/insert-important-organ-here.
As an example, my dad took way, way too much Lasix (http://www.medicinenet.com/furosemide/article.htm) for years, thinking he needed to control his edema. In truth, he was diabetic and needed to control his blood sugar level. The Lasix probably made him feel better because it tends to increase blood sugar, but at the same time the diabetes ate away at his legs. By the time a doctor actually appraised him and told he was killing himself, it was too late. And yet, even as he lay in the hospital in his final days he blamed the doctors that he wouldn't listen to for his predicament.
Quote from: Thorin on July 07, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
Remember, most salad dressings have sugar or salt or both. Gotta read the label, ain't it fun? It's like a peanut allergy, 'cept ya don't go to the hospital if ya didn't read close enough.
Salt is ok, but yeah, I've been checking labels and @%&#.
Oh yeah, and today... I totally broke down, had my first beer(s) in a month and had roast beef, green beans, potatoes and a Yorkshire pud... it was great but now I feel like a lead weight...
Also I had 1/3 of a candy bar today. Normally I'd just scarf the whole thing but it was such a friggin' sugar rush I couldn't do it :-/
Yes is it is VERY hard to avoid added sugar in anything packaged these days, that is why I suggested seeing if you can avoid it.
Quote from: Mr. Analog on July 07, 2009, 09:23:57 PM
Oh yeah, and today... I totally broke down, had my first beer(s) in a month and had roast beef, green beans, potatoes and a Yorkshire pud... it was great but now I feel like a lead weight...
Also I had 1/3 of a candy bar today. Normally I'd just scarf the whole thing but it was such a friggin' sugar rush I couldn't do it :-/
That reminds me, have you tried the "6 then 1" so-called "diet"? You eat healthy for 6 days straight, lotsa fruit and veggies and whole grains and WATER, avoiding red meat and dairy and greasy garbage, trying to stay active etc. Then on day 7 you literally force yourself to pig out, eat as much of whatever your taste buds are craving (starchy, cheesy, meaty stuff, maybe ice cream?) until you feel full... Some people say you get full faster than pre-diet, and more importantly you feel like CRAP from what your body is now used to doing without, so you train yourself to no longer crave those things that you know you shouldn't be eating anyway...
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 08, 2009, 01:44:28 AMThat reminds me, have you tried the "6 then 1" so-called "diet"? You eat healthy for 6 days straight, lotsa fruit and veggies and whole grains and WATER, avoiding red meat and dairy and greasy garbage, trying to stay active etc. Then on day 7 you literally force yourself to pig out, eat as much of whatever your taste buds are craving (starchy, cheesy, meaty stuff, maybe ice cream?) until you feel full... Some people say you get full faster than pre-diet, and more importantly you feel like CRAP from what your body is now used to doing without, so you train yourself to no longer crave those things that you know you shouldn't be eating anyway...
Why I know that diet, it's the Butterfield Diet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjnuBTPOaKY) isn't it? (j/k)
It's easy to get a craving for starchy foods if you eat a lot of potatoes. I haven't had many potatoes lately and hoo boy. Mashed potatoes look better than they ever have. I don't cook with much extra salt or sugar but man there's something about not having starchy foods that makes me crave sugary ones instead.
lol forget all the complicated stuff, just ELMM (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mad+tv+eat+less+move+more)!
Quote from: Tonnica on July 08, 2009, 02:19:23 AM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on July 08, 2009, 01:44:28 AMThat reminds me, have you tried the "6 then 1" so-called "diet"? You eat healthy for 6 days straight, lotsa fruit and veggies and whole grains and WATER, avoiding red meat and dairy and greasy garbage, trying to stay active etc. Then on day 7 you literally force yourself to pig out, eat as much of whatever your taste buds are craving (starchy, cheesy, meaty stuff, maybe ice cream?) until you feel full... Some people say you get full faster than pre-diet, and more importantly you feel like CRAP from what your body is now used to doing without, so you train yourself to no longer crave those things that you know you shouldn't be eating anyway...
Why I know that diet, it's the Butterfield Diet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjnuBTPOaKY) isn't it? (j/k)
It's easy to get a craving for starchy foods if you eat a lot of potatoes. I haven't had many potatoes lately and hoo boy. Mashed potatoes look better than they ever have. I don't cook with much extra salt or sugar but man there's something about not having starchy foods that makes me crave sugary ones instead.
LOL I almost posted that!
Heh, I'm back on the straight and narrow today...
Saw an interesting show last night called Jamie's Eat To Save Your Life (http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/J/jamie_eat/). One of the things pointed out is that even in fresh fruits and vegetables, the food industry has changed over the last 30 or so years to offering us the sweeter versions. For instance, red and orange peppers are sweeter than green peppers, and people are buying green peppers less and red and orange peppers more.
Another one of the things they pointed out is how much less people in developed countries poop out than people in developing countries. The example given was a man from Uganda compared to a man from the UK - 460 grams a day compared to 120 grams a day. Leaving aside the fact that it would've been a really gross study for the scientists, there is this question of whether it's better to poop more. Turns out it is, as having more stuff go through your system helps your system work better.
Here's an article about a study where it appears that high-fructose corn syrup causes some complex interactions in your blood sugars, which in turn increase the rate at which you gain weight and carry fats in your bloodstream:
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section=
Quote from: Thorin on March 25, 2010, 12:21:14 AM
Here's an article about a study where it appears that high-fructose corn syrup causes some complex interactions in your blood sugars, which in turn increase the rate at which you gain weight and carry fats in your bloodstream:
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section=
ArsTechnica has a pretty good write up on that, seems the study has some "issues", and probably isn't quite accurate.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/03/does-high-fructose-corn-syrup-make-you-fatter.ars
Two problems in the USA:
1. Corn industry keeping the price of corn low
2. Sugar industry keeping the price of sugar high
Interesting fact about how your body processes corn syrup; it's processed like alcohol, by your liver, and because of it it induces hunger (ever wonder why you get the munchies when you're drinking?)
I'd cite the articles I read for the above statements but I can't find them in my history.
think "Food, Inc." is stomach-churning? Apparently "Earthlings" is far worse.
According to Ellen DeGeneres. Who is a vegan because of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSA2j4oiDA
trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW3gunMSCu4
full: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys
For the love of !@#$%....
Darren, this is EXACTLY why people don't follow your damn links
POST A @%&#ING SUMMARY
Quote from: Mr. Analog on May 10, 2012, 10:33:08 AM
For the love of !@#$%....
Darren, this is EXACTLY why people don't follow your damn links
POST A @%&#ING SUMMARY
Quote from: Darren Dirt on May 10, 2012, 09:55:59 AM
think "Food, Inc." (the documentary about factory farming, etc.) is stomach-churning? Apparently "Earthlings" (another, lesser-known food-doc) is far worse.
According to Ellen DeGeneres. Who is a vegan because of it. Here's an interview with Ellen talking about Earthlings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSA2j4oiDA
trailer: of Earthlings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW3gunMSCu4
full version of Earthlings, on YT : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys
Is that so hard? Sheesh!!