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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/report-microsoft-to-buy-minecraft-developer-mojang-for-2-billion

I don't even. How can mojang be worth more than twitch? And even then, why would ms want mojang? It's just a rumour, and one I think is pretty silly.

What do you guys think? realistic?

Sounds dodgy to me

As great as minecraft is it would probably be purchasing it at its peak. Looking at the quality of clones that have been made and how technology advances it will be due to be superseded by something in only 1 or 2 years..

They are a one game company, none of the other stuff has been remotely popular enough to warrant interest.

Quote from: Tom on September 09, 2014, 06:09:34 PM
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/report-microsoft-to-buy-minecraft-developer-mojang-for-2-billion

I don't even. How can mojang be worth more than twitch?

in case the rumor mill at one point was saying it was M$ gonna buy twitch...
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/amazon-not-google-reportedly-buying-twitch-for-1-billion/

But a revenue-generating product with a long life like Minecraft has an extra valuable asset: a fan base, a built-in market... for ... other stuff (Microsoft maybe thinks diggers will eventually work in cubicle farms and needs to make 'em think of them instead of free products, Linux, etc.? -- see also what Notch said (http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/xfzdg/i_am_markus_persson_aka_notch_creator_of/c5m0sex).)

Notch can be a prick:

Quote from: https://twitter.com/notch/status/440958813722529792
That's it, I'm never using my eyes again. I'm done. http://i.imgur.com/tsEcDkS.jpg

SO TRUE: "@notch why would you do that to me?!"

There was a recent Dilbert strip that summarized what would happen if MS took over

http://dilbert.com/2014-07-31/

...except imagine the guy there represented actual project contributors instead of Notch

I'm not sure if this is true or not but there was a person who posted about the announcement working at Mojang who said pretty much everybody broke down at the news. It could explain why so many people bailed out of Bukkit at the same time

The sad thing is that Minecraft came out at exactly the right time with the right features but was mostly built into something truly awesome by the community. Modders, texture packs, creative players, social media. It was more than just a building sandbox game (Infiniminer anyone?), it really grew from the support of the devs and players that formed the community around it.

Microsoft will be left with the Brand and a built in Microsoft-hostile community. The most likely first step they'll take is move "Minecraft Realms" into the Microsoft cloud somewhere and manage the @%&# right out of it. Imagine paid DLC, subscriptions and other stupid things (GFWL! /kidding)

Minecraft will never truly die, but, Notch selling out and having the community freak out is going to hurt it badly, which is a shame because it's really been an amazing adventure and with updates being so frequent lately and so much added content it's managed to stay fresh and interesting since pretty much the day I bought it, not many other games I own can say that

Hey now maybe Notch will have time to build a slightly-improved version* of Dwarf Fortress (http://notch.tumblr.com/post/227922045/the-origins-of-minecraft)!

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/

...Because for games to survive longterm you gotta make sure Losing Is Fun (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120611155910/vsrecommendedgames/images/b/b4/DorfLearningCurve.gif) (thanks http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress )

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/magazine/the-brilliance-of-dwarf-fortress.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0#h[;]
Though its medieval milieu of besieged castles and mutant enemies may be familiar, Dwarf Fortress appeals mainly to a substratum of hard-core gamers. The game's unofficial slogan, recited on message boards, is "Losing is fun!" Dwarf Fortress's unique difficulty begins with its most striking feature: The way it looks. In an industry obsessed with pushing the frontiers of visual awe, Dwarf Fortress is a defiant throwback, its interface a dense tapestry of letters, numbers and crude glyphs you might have seen in a computer game around 1980. A normal person looks at ♠?dg  and sees gibberish, but the Dwarf Fortress initiate sees a tense tableau: a dog leashed to a tree, about to be mauled by a goblin.

This bare-bones aesthetic allows Tarn to focus resources not on graphics but on mechanics, which he values much more. Many simulation games offer players a bag of building blocks, but few dangle a bag as deep, or blocks as small and intricately interlocking, as Dwarf Fortress...

...It's like a jalopy with a V-12 under the hood. "The processing power that Dwarf Fortress uses is on the same scale as modern engineering software for designing aerospace hardware," says Ames, the engineer. "You have more complicated simulations in Dwarf Fortress than when you model the aerodynamics of a wing."

*I'm kidding of course -- DF is definitely low on the mainstream-accessibility scale! (But that's what makes me curious about it, now that I just heard of it!)

If you're looking for a hard as balls Roguelike check out FTL

That game will kick your ass

...and then you'll play it again

2 Billion price explained in old Tweet 12:51 PM - 18 Dec 2012

https://twitter.com/notch/status/281139739304800256

QuoteMarkus PerssonVerified account ‏@notch

Anyway, my price is two billion dollars. Give me two billion dollars, and I'll endorse your crap.

Should read verified sellout

But all of us here know that

Notch is such a dick

Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 10, 2014, 09:09:06 PM
Should read verified sellout

But all of us here know that

Notch is such a dick

If I hacked together a game that sold millions I would cash out as well.

Especially if you want to get out of the business. I think notch has wanted out for a while.

That's the sad thing I probably would too

$2 billion would buy a lot of gumballs...

Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 10, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
If you're looking for a hard as balls Roguelike check out FTL

That game will kick your ass

...and then you'll play it again

Hell no. But just on principle; the game designers have never openly acknowledged their obvious love for and inspiration from SUNDOG: FROZEN LEGACY (distributed by "FTL*", ironically enough).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL:_Faster_Than_Light
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy

:cough:


(also, I watched one or two "let's play" of FTL a few months ago -- it looked boring, not frustrating. SD:FL was never boring. Even when you died after a lot of progress and had to repeat some of your travels and activities since the last save point -- similar to how the original Deus Ex was a perfect level of difficulty/frustration without becoming boring).



*man I miss those days, when a single coder (sometimes with a couple of buddies) could come up with a simple idea and build a SUPER-FUN game that lots of people would gladly pay for and enjoy playing, and not need a hundred MILLION dollar budget (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bungie+Destiny+budget).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL_Games SD:FL caused me many a gaming-till-dawn session; and "OIDS" was another one, had its own level designer too, physics and shoot-em-up perfectly balanced and FUN, anyone but me remember that one? And where would the "dungeon crawl" genre be without "Dungeon Master"?

It looks boring because after playing a few rounds you start to realize that each decision has an impact on the game, not just for the current situation but the next 3 or 4, to the point where people pause the game so much it's almost like a turn based space sim.

I mean you'll see guys pause, turn off their oxygen generators and boost their shields just long enough to absorb 1 or 2 hits because they know they'll be taking damage later to get to the next waypoint, there is a certain amount of rush during the experience

Something like Rogue Legacy might be more to your liking, it's a Roguelike but platform-y (and a lot of fun)

:sigh: I guess I just miss the simple days when coding a game put into play all of this...

(http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/from_electrons_to_asteroids.png) (http://abstrusegoose.com/307)

...but nowadays it seems to be made note of a game requires an extra 2 or 3 "layers"; add to that old-fart sentimentality an extra dose of sadness seeing how SIMILAR the new FTL is vs SD:FL but no acknowledgement of the obvious. #probablyJustMeBeingMe

There's nothing stopping you from getting into quick n' dirty game dev on your own with Unity (http://unity3d.com/) or similar tools

As well, nothing saying, you need a big budget either, take a look at something legitimately fun like Papers Please, Depression Quest or Game Dev Tycoon, simple AND fun all developed by individuals or small groups

You might want to check out Desura http://www.desura.com/ if you really want to get into the indie game dev scene

"Laziness" is not nothing.


;)


Seriously though I'm busy with a lot of diverse stuff so could never focus my time/energy to building a game (would distract myself along the way like CRAZY) so now my focus is on the game industry and my own feels. Takes less time and energy.  8)

The industry is a diverse place and I think now is actually easier for a small dev to get exposure.

You don't even need to distribute freeware floppies anymore! haha

It's official:
https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/

The question I have is will Microsoft be "hands off" and just manage the brand and leave the community alone? Will the community explode into rage on its own and self destruct?

A year from now will Minecraft still be the same?

Wow, 2.5 BILLION in the end.

Here's hoping there isn't any self-destruct code in the existing server that could just shut down people's private servers...

Maybe I'm being a bit too paranoid.  But then again, it's Microsoft that bought them.

http://notch.net/2014/09/im-leaving-mojang/

Notch is walking away... Should probably read before commenting.

Yeah, I'd read that already.  I'm still worried what Microsoft might do to the game now that they own it (and apparently Bukkit, since Mojang quietly bought the rights to that two years ago?)

Where Notch tried, at least publicly, to allow people some freedom in using his game for their own gain (monetized videos, monetized servers, not going after those that decompiled and modified his code), I'm concerned that Microsoft will try to forcibly shut down those that are making money off of it.  I think that Microsoft will try their best to squeeze every penny out, rather than just be amazed and humbled that it sells at all.

Quote from: Lazybones on September 15, 2014, 09:07:50 AM
http://notch.net/2014/09/im-leaving-mojang/

Notch is walking away... Should probably read before commenting.

Clicked and read.

Up front, a troll-ish part of me wanted to find some eyeroll-inducing verbiage. But after reading I gotta say I was happily disappointed.

Pretty tough to deny that that is a very well articulated collection of thoughts and feelings from a guy who [in his own words] never asked for the attention he got (unlike Biebs and Miley and other "public personalities" whose very claim to fame comes from actually performing IN FRONT OF AND FOR THE PUBLIC.

This *human being* is in objective reality something very different from what people THINK [and will always think?] that he is. And ain't that true about virtually anybody in the public spotlight? Heck, even to some extent most of us private individuals? His choice to post this, knowing in advance the skepticism (or worse) it will likely be responded with, it's almost... an act of rebellion, inspiration, bravery, maybe. (Haters gonna hate, rather be hated for what/who I am than loved/accepted for what/who I am not, etc...)

I think the main problem is that a lot of people assume Notch is Mojang, so when things like the EULA change came in and exploded the Dev/Community world that @%&#storm blew up in Notch's face (not Mojang). And no matter what happens there's a lot of talk that swirls around him, the mistake he keeps making is responding to the "talk" directly and making things worse.

I can identify with this problem, you make something and it gets popular and a bunch of people start forming ideas about who and what you are, but then it didn't help that he got in the spotlight and repeatedly said dumb stuff leaving most people scratching their heads.

To quote Bill Murray: "The truth is, anybody that becomes famous is an ass for a year and a half. You've got to give them a year and a half, two years. They are getting so much smoke blown, and their whole world gets so turned upside down, their responses become distorted. I give everybody a year or two to pull it together because, when it first happens, I know how it is."

On the flip side he can go cry into a giant pile of cash and disappear for a while

For the rest of us it will be business as usual until Microsoft figures out how to monetize Realms and figure out a future path to actually cash in on the brand (calling it now: Realms subscriptions, pay to win PvP servers, DirectX adoption, HD texture packs / rendering, [and if they are really dumb] strangle the modding community)

This is still the best value I've gotten out of any game ever, I figure the worst case scenario would be MS forking the code into MS-land... at which point "legacy" modding will still thrive under some old version of "Java" Minecraft. Who knows where things will go for now, I just hope it won't "RIP in Peace" too early

I don't blame notch one bit. The last couple big @%&# storms were probably enough to make him jump ship. Why deal with that kind of vitriol if you don't have to?

Can you "fork" java code into a different language? Didn't MS totally drop J#? doing a rewrite would cost a lot, and knowing developers, they'd reimplement the protocol as well, meaning it'd just be an entirely new game. That alone would probably kill minecraft right then and there, unless it was so significantly better... But you can bet it'd kill off the modding and server community, which is what is keeping minecraft alive at this point.

When I say "fork" I mean, Microsoft would rewrite it while pirates would keep the existing versions circulating.

Worst case scenario in my world is .NET Framework only version running on closed source with no modding support running DirectX

Right now if you want to change game assets you use WinZip and just swap out contents / add your own stuff to the JAR. If they compile content into .resx files and make it part of an encrypted library you wouldn't be able to mess with game assets directly, you'd likely have to go through some kind of API (though I suppose the smart way for them would be to create a developer API and sell dev licenses for modders, etc)

For now MS says they are going to be "hands off", how long that lasts who knows (I suspect once they start pimping Realms it will be on virtualized MS servers living in Azure)

MS has stated that their new model is to make software for all platforms. How long that'll last I don't know, but obviously .NET is not properly cross-platform, so if they stick to plans, they will need multiple ports.

Saw this:

(https://djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/7/f/7fd854147370542eddbd89e71bb21ae3.jpg)

Quote from: Tom on September 15, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
Saw this:

(https://djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/7/f/7fd854147370542eddbd89e71bb21ae3.jpg)

HAHAHA ... ooooooh NOOOOOOOO! hahaha.

NEI 2: Clippy's Revenge

Yeah, like I say a rewrite based on Microsoft APIs would be my worst case scenario and is fairly unlikely. I can easily see them moving to hosting on Azure though. Mojang was on the cusp of Realms anyway, this would be giving it a cloud infrastructure it needed to really go places.

(http://i.imgur.com/qTJ7Wb5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9yeiKRX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9nCKJjo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UVkwUl6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/znjVqMy.png)
(http://gamemes.com/store/130826/1056_v0_610x.png)

THE MEMENING HAS BEGUN

Minecraft Ultimate and Professional need to be switched - emeralds are way harder to find than diamonds!

I also like how half of those were actually made in Minecraft :)

I think I liked the Sol win animation the best.

Quote from: Lazybones on September 15, 2014, 10:51:35 PM
I think I liked the Sol win animation the best.

That's what caught my eye haha

...urge to play Solitaire now

gdi

I posted some of these pix to tumblr and it's going viral, I had to uninstall the tumblr app from my phone because I was getting notification pushes every 2 minutes...

Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 16, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
gdi

I posted some of these pix to tumblr and it's going viral, I had to uninstall the tumblr app from my phone because I was getting notification pushes every 2 minutes...

Aww :( I hate that. Also #firstworldproblems

Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 16, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
gdi

I posted some of these pix to tumblr and it's going viral, I had to uninstall the tumblr app from my phone because I was getting notification pushes every 2 minutes...

I just pulled those from /r/minecraft anyway

Eh heh heh

There are a lot of funny comments in my feed now

Can't wait for that Redstone DLC ;)

I hear it's being renamed in-game to "Redmondstone".

Quote from: Darren Dirt on September 16, 2014, 02:25:34 PM
I hear it's being renamed in-game to "Redmondstone".

HEY-OOOOOOOOOOOH!

Not sol but not a bad in game option https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PkctJzujQ

Good one haha

Does the music seem to be a jpop-ified remix of the win95 startup tune to anyone else but me?

All I could think of was the Windows Noises Remix music video thing:
http://youtu.be/TcjHw8AwSyQ

That brings back some old memories...

Quote from: Lazybones on September 16, 2014, 06:23:31 PM
Not sol but not a bad in game option https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PkctJzujQ

Wow, that Youtube video wouldn't load for me.  I turned off AdBlock and Ghostery and received an ad, so I thought yay, now that they've shown the ad I'll get to see the vid.  Nope, just sits there spinning.

Odd I get no ad before the video and it plays on both my PC and my iPhone

I have affixed the "Works on my Machine" sticker to my monitor

Weird, it works in IE11 but not Google Chrome.  I think Google is starting emulate Microsoft, where Google's acquisition Youtube doesn't work correctly in Google's browser.

Ha!

I'm using Firefox *dances around*

Worked fine for me as well. With chrome.

Quote from: Thorin on September 16, 2014, 08:47:35 PM
Weird, it works in IE11 but not Google Chrome.  I think Google is starting emulate Microsoft, where Google's acquisition Youtube doesn't work correctly in Google's browser.

As far as I can tell Google just keeps releasing updates to Chrome with no real goal anymore other than to @%&# around and break it every few weeks.

I thought that was how agile releases worked? Release early and often! lol.



;) ( I AM KIDDING )

Quote from: Lazybones on September 16, 2014, 10:29:08 PM

Quote from: Thorin on September 16, 2014, 08:47:35 PM
Weird, it works in IE11 but not Google Chrome.  I think Google is starting emulate Microsoft, where Google's acquisition Youtube doesn't work correctly in Google's browser.

As far as I can tell Google just keeps releasing updates to Chrome with no real goal anymore other than to @%&# around and break it every few weeks.

so I checked:

(http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10357.0;attach=2518;image)

The last major update messed up my zoom settings for reasons unknown...

Hopefully it fixes ur problems

Updated Chrome and now the video plays.  Before I updated Chrome it wouldn't play, but other videos on Youtube did.  Weird...

With the M$ cash, Notch bought himself a new home costing 8 figures.


And of course, now someone has built Notch?s new mansion in Minecraft:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/12/22/heres-the-inevitable-minecraft-version-of-the-minecraft-creators-new-mansion/