This one is definately up a lot of you guy's alleys out there, so check it out:
http://www.nait.ca/hr/jobopp/comps/205151.htmWeb/SQL Developer.
The programming job salary range is thus (in case you wanted to know):
(RENUMERATION / 2 WEEKS) * NO. WEEKS IN YEAR
(1947.54 / 2) * 52.177457 = $50, 808.84
(2580.06 / 2) * 52.177457 = $67, 310.48
Not too shabby...
NAIT's pay scale is public:
http://www.nait.ca/hr/staff/ca/payschedules.htm#maeAnd this position falls under the Management/Excluded section:
http://www.nait.ca/hr/staff/ca/MAE_2004_Grid.pdfFYI - This position in the level 17-18-19 scale. At NAIT you are guaranteed your "Step" increase on your aniversary date as long as you are a FTE. 3 Weeks holidays to start (accumulated 1.25 every month) and 10-12 days at XMas (depends on the academic year). Our fiscal years are July 1-June 30th, but our employee roll-overs (absences, medical appointments, benefit funds) are on an anual year of Jan 1-Dec 31st. All employees of NAIT get educational pricing on all products you can buy (software, closes, books, etc), staff incentives on Microsoft products - $12 XP Pro, $12 Office 2003, all facilities that NAIT offers are available for employee use.
Downside - runs like a gov operation sometimes, with politics that can exist in such breading grounds. This position shouldn't see much of that, but just a heads up.
Pay looks good, but I am just getting settled in at my current job. :rolleyes:
Sweet! Thanks for the post Mel. I am SO applying to that position tomorrow.
For now though, sleepytime. Wish I had checked the board sooner but I got distracted by Pixelblocks. They awesome!
Hopefully Thorin saw this too, as he was interested in any jobs from NAIT when I was talking to him at Mr. A's BDay.
Quote from: "Mr. Analog"The programming job salary range is thus (in case you wanted to know):
(RENUMERATION / 2 WEEKS) * NO. WEEKS IN YEAR
(1947.54 / 2) * 52.177457 = $50, 808.84
(2580.06 / 2) * 52.177457 = $67, 310.48
Not too shabby...
Ouch my brain hurts with the complex math ^
I thought Annual from "biweekly" = simply "TIMES 26"
Quote from: "Melbosa"Hopefully Thorin saw this too, as he was interested in any jobs from NAIT when I was talking to him at Mr. A's BDay.
Yup, I did. And the basically four weeks of vacation and decent pay certainly are interesting...
The work sounds right up my alley, too. Although I'd feel sorta bad competing with Tonnica for it :(
Quote from: "Darren Dirt"Quote from: "Mr. Analog"The programming job salary range is thus (in case you wanted to know):
(RENUMERATION / 2 WEEKS) * NO. WEEKS IN YEAR
(1947.54 / 2) * 52.177457 = $50, 808.84
(2580.06 / 2) * 52.177457 = $67, 310.48
Not too shabby...
Ouch my brain hurts with the complex math ^
I thought Annual from "biweekly" = simply "TIMES 26"
That's a bit less accurate (since there are leap years involved) right? RIGHT!?
Now, to be a math nerd.
There are 365 and 99/400th days in a year. That's 365.2475, expressed as a decimal number. Dividing that by 7 for the number of days in a week, I get 52.178214285714... (the dots are supposed to indicate repeating).
Where did you get 52.177457 from?
Looks like a lvl 18 position to me (right range of pay, and not enough responsibility in that description to be a lvl 19), which would put you at about $1900 biweekly / almost $50K per year (based on the chart Mel linked, which is a little old - the current one would have the exact pay numbers from the job posting). The max pay range on the job posting should line up with step 7 of the same level (which is very close at 18 on this old chart) - which would be the pay you are receiving after working at NAIT for 6 years if you are never promoted or anything. (just get your annual steps). Of course, to account for inflation and what not that chart goes up by a percent or two usually every year as well - so by the time you've been here 6 years the $65K annual will probably be closer to $70K.
If you get a promotion, you go up a level. DING! Anyways - look at the chart for whatever level/step you are at, go up a level, then drop as many steps as you can without taking a pay decrease, and thats where you end up. So a promotion at NAIT really gives you more room for growth than instant pay increase. I'd be capped out already if I hadn't DING'd a few times. And I'm gonna cap out in a couple years I think, since going up another level for me would require me to be in a management position of some type (at least a couple people working under me) - and someone would have to retire out of said position to free one up for me to apply to.
Quote from: "Thorin"The work sounds right up my alley, too. Although I'd feel sorta bad competing with Tonnica for it :(
Hah! Don't be. I'd rather compete against someone I can feel some respect for for a job.
If I don't get the job and you get it? Wonderful! It does seem like a tasty position with plenty of benifits and off-time so you can have a happy holiday with the family.
If I get the job and you don't? I'll be happy and keep an eye out for any future positions I can throw in a recommendation for you.
If neither of us get it? Then it's a shame because they could have done well by either of us. And for the induvidual who did get it? Two words: ZERGLING RUSH!
T'be honest I am out of practice with ASP even though I still have my fundementals. I also have only one year's worth of professional experience backing me up. Is it likely I'll be picked up? There's a nonzero chance and it never hurts to try as long as the office staff don't have "dire" or "flayer" in their titles/names.
Positivity is key, so stay positive. Do it.
Dooooooooo iiiiiiiiit!Also: Google brings us complex maths, yay!
Quote from: "Cova"Looks like a lvl 18 position to me (right range of pay, and not enough responsibility in that description to be a lvl 19), which would put you at about $1900 biweekly / almost $50K per year (based on the chart Mel linked, which is a little old - the current one would have the exact pay numbers from the job posting).
Unfortunately that is the most current pay list on the website. I would guess by mid July the next one will be out.
Quote from: "Tonnica"T'be honest I am out of practice with ASP even though I still have my fundementals. I also have only one year's worth of professional experience backing me up. Is it likely I'll be picked up? There's a nonzero chance and it never hurts to try as long as the office staff don't have "dire" or "flayer" in their titles/names.
Never hurts to apply, because your always compared to those who apply with you. And cover letters/interviews can saw the job your way. Job Postings, at NAIT or anywhere else, always expect the world from the prospects and settle on the best choice for potential to those prospects. Well that or they get the guru they wanted, and he/she is over qualified or leaves in less than a year cause they can get more money.
ASP bites!
Get it! Eh eh eh? haw haw haw!
Lemme guess, you've been converted to COBOL.NET?
Quote from: "Thorin"Lemme guess, you've been converted to COBOL.NET?
In winter I get to work with
SNOBOL and during baseball I use
SPITBOL! ;)
Quote from: "Mr. Analog"Quote from: "Thorin"Lemme guess, you've been converted to COBOL.NET?
In winter I get to work with SNOBOL and during baseball I use SPITBOL! ;)
All those languages sound like a big
haskell to me. When you
ada it all up, all programing languages are very similar.
Just to put one more thing out there, that is about the job postings. They are marked as OPEN but this doesn't mean you have all the time in the world to apply. This means they will evaluate the applications as they come in and when they find someone, the will just pull the job posting, so the sooner the better chance you have.
You should both apply - then I'll use what influence I have to try to sway the decision towards whichever of you gives me the largest bribe (must be paid up-front, no refunds)
Btw Mel - you know if that position is on Helen's team or Allan's? Helen will listen to me if I go in with a good recommendation, but I don't have a lot of influence with Allan.
Quote from: "Cova"whichever of you gives me the largest bribe
She'll win that one... All my money goes to keeping my munchkins fed! :P
I remember, once a long time ago, when I had mountains of cash, and no debt
Probably just a dream I had.
Quote from: "Cova"You should both apply - then I'll use what influence I have to try to sway the decision towards whichever of you gives me the largest bribe (must be paid up-front, no refunds)
Btw Mel - you know if that position is on Helen's team or Allan's? Helen will listen to me if I go in with a good recommendation, but I don't have a lot of influence with Allan.
Under Allan, replacement for Ted. I've already recommended both to Danny.
Quote from: "Mr. Analog"Google
well I only care how much $ in a year, and since the paycheque including that 53rd week is coming NEXT year I don't care about it - you only get 26 paycheques in a year (except every 14 years give or take, then you might get 27!) ;)
$ per paycheque
x # of paycheques January 1st-December 31st
= x 26 (ta da!) ;)
Quote from: "Melbosa"Quote from: "Tonnica"T'be honest I am out of practice with ASP even though I still have my fundementals. I also have only one year's worth of professional experience backing me up. Is it likely I'll be picked up? There's a nonzero chance and it never hurts to try as long as the office staff don't have "dire" or "flayer" in their titles/names.
Never hurts to apply, because your always compared to those who apply with you. And cover letters/interviews can saw the job your way. Job Postings, at NAIT or anywhere else, always expect the world from the prospects and settle on the best choice for potential to those prospects. Well that or they get the guru they wanted, and he/she is over qualified or leaves in less than a year cause they can get more money.
Even if I was looking for a job change, I think if I went for it I would *not* have a "non-zero chance" ;)
Quote from: "Mr. Analog"ASP bites!
Get it! Eh eh eh? haw haw haw!
Funny. Ha ha.
The legal team for O'Reilley Books are already filing your lawsuit... ;)