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General => Lobby => Topic started by: Cova on October 27, 2006, 10:47:54 AM

Title: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Cova on October 27, 2006, 10:47:54 AM
The newest linux distribution around - Unbreakable Linux.  And its really just the Redhat Enterprise Linux source, downloaded and stripped of its Redhat branding, and distributed by Oracle.  Oracle finally has their own OS - and its nothing more than standard RHEL but cheaper.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2006/10/26/oracle_drops_bomb_on_red_hats_linux_business.html

Love the way its described though...  "a ruthless and brilliant act of capitalism".
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 27, 2006, 10:53:10 AM
Frankly, the thought of Oracle having their own OS is @%&#ing scary.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 10:57:53 AM
I saw something about this the other day and was talking to Adams about something similar...MySQL.

MySQL should make its own OS, basically take a good linux (Debian), and strip out everything not needed, just enough to run the database.  After installing you are presented with a mysql login and nothing else.  basically a totally unconfigurable but lean OS.  With Databases requiring so much IO and CPU it would be nice for them to run near OSless.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Thorin on October 27, 2006, 11:09:40 AM
It'll be interesting to see what Red Hat does to provide value in Red Hat Enterprise Linux to keep people from switching to Oracle Hat Enterprise Linux...  I sure hope the software-should-be-free crowd at Red Hat don't start whining about being undercut by a competitor, though.  After all, this is exactly the market model they wanted for themselves.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
As an Enterprise, would you buy from Red Hat who knows about their OS or Oracle who knows enough to strip out the Red Hat logos :P
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Lazybones on October 27, 2006, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
As an Enterprise, would you buy from Red Hat who knows about their OS or Oracle who knows enough to strip out the Red Hat logos :P

As a PHB would your purchase this Linux thing from a shifty guy in a red hat or purchase the Unbreakable Linux from the big Database vendor that provides the costly database you run your business on?

All perspective.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Cova on October 27, 2006, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
As an Enterprise, would you buy from Red Hat who knows about their OS or Oracle who knows enough to strip out the Red Hat logos :P

As an Enterprise, you would buy from whoever you currently have as a partner / preferred vendor.  If you are running an Oracle database, and on it you are running Oracle applications (say, PeopleSoft, which Oracle bought a while back), you will want to be running the Oracle OS.

Quote from: Thorin on October 27, 2006, 11:09:40 AM
It'll be interesting to see what Red Hat does to provide value in Red Hat Enterprise Linux to keep people from switching to Oracle Hat Enterprise Linux...  I sure hope the software-should-be-free crowd at Red Hat don't start whining about being undercut by a competitor, though.  After all, this is exactly the market model they wanted for themselves.

Another intesting distribution to mention related to that - CentOS, which I'm playing around with right now.  It is also based on the RHEL source RPMs, and is 100% compatible with RHEL, but is a free community supported distribution.

Quote from: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 10:57:53 AM
I saw something about this the other day and was talking to Adams about something similar...MySQL.

MySQL should make its own OS, basically take a good linux (Debian), and strip out everything not needed, just enough to run the database.  After installing you are presented with a mysql login and nothing else.  basically a totally unconfigurable but lean OS.  With Databases requiring so much IO and CPU it would be nice for them to run near OSless.

So basically, a black-box database appliance.  You can bet Oracle will be releasing such a thing in the near future.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Adams on October 27, 2006, 01:57:04 PM
Oracle = solid brick @%&# house
Red Hat = Straw Hut

At least thats the way most large corporations see it.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Shayne on October 27, 2006, 02:50:25 PM
I dunno, i think that companies that are using a Linux distro in an enterprise situation know that Red Hat is king of the Linux distros regardless of Oracle being new to the show.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Adams on October 30, 2006, 10:37:18 AM
I think a lot of corporations using Oracle are using it on windows servers.
Thus my quote on Red Hat. A lot of those corporations are afraid of Linux but this Oracle Linux might sway them.
Title: Re: Unbreakable Linux
Post by: Shayne on October 30, 2006, 10:51:08 AM
...so this doesn't affect Red Hat as these customers were never on Linux anyways? ;)