I found this rather profound and inspirational:
Quote from: http://teenadvice.about.com/od/loveanddating/a/isitlove1.htm
Love is based on more than just physical attraction. Sure, attraction is a factor, but love goes deeper than that. Love is based on caring, friendship, commitment, and trust. When you are in love it is as if you have your best, most-trusted friend at your side AND you feel physically attracted to them. It is the best of both worlds! Love is a shared feeling between two people who have a vested interest in one another's happiness. Love is not about jealousy. It is not about conflict. It is not about testing. Love is a positive feeling. If it is tainted by mistrust, jealousy, insecurity, or spitefulness it is not really love but merely a pale copy. Love is the total surrender of your heart to another person with the security of knowing they will treat it better than you will. Love should feel good. It should not feel bad. Love should make you want to be a better person, it should not lead you to do something self destructive. Love is not demanding of your spirit but lifts it and makes it glow. Love is a good thing. Anything less is lust, deep friendship, or attraction.
Gotta remember that for when the kids are old enough to date...
remember that the pale copy of love is blind... and you cant see through the illusion that you have built up in your mind because you have convinced yourself you are deliriously happy. It wont matter what you say to the smitten no matter how rational your argument as love and all of its lesser copies are irrational. the problems dont exist if they chose to disassociate themselves with reality. some will eventually see others wont.
It took my mom 15 years to come to terms with it with my father before she was strong enough to leave him and finaly become her own person. other people like me who ended up in a controlling relationship (pre Lazy that is) started backing off the minute the behavior surfaced. and i broke up with him when he started getting jelouse when i glanced at other males. once he threw the first fit of rage threatening to break up with me, is when i backed off. it took a few more months for me to actually leave because i did think i loved him and that he loved me. but it got to the point where i couldnt say it and i knew i was only there because i needed to feel wanted that and the sex... i felt demoralized and like i wasnt anything unless he was around and quickly figured out that wasn't healthy.
At prom he spent the better part following me around yelling at me saying I was wrong for spending time with my friends i should be dancing with him. it got to the point at the end of the night he was convinced that my friends didnt like him that they were takeing me away from him and i was cheating on him that i didnt love him that i never loved him and that he didnt want me to leave him but would often tell me to leave in the next breath and then he threatened to kill himself then me...
it slowly elevated from just the jealousy to the full out rage. it was hardly noticeable but because i grew up in that environment myself i knew what to look for. and took the situation as a whole for what it was i wouldn't rationalize it saying oh i love him he is so wonderful blah blah blah... i didnt want to be a prisoner with no friends but my significant other. i have seen how after the cloud thins how the person being manipulated often just gives up to the whims of the manipulator. because they still believe its love. or just dont have enough of their own personality left to make a decision for themselves. :'(
i sought out the opinions of others because i know that its easier to see the whole picture when your not knee deep in the @%&# you have shoveled around yourself. my friends gave me the strength to leave him on prom night as did my mom and her strength she showed the night she left dad.... the night she left was the first time i remember feeling truly proud of her it was the first time in a long time she did something good for herself and with out feeling ashamed she put herself first. :)
Hah! Reminds me of this!
http://www.starterupsteve.com/flash/html/love.shtml
thats too funny... i actually got that stuck in my head when i read the title...
Love advice?
TRUST is the key. If you can't trust your lover OR they can't trust you then what do you have? I learned this the hard way...
The only thing worse than a poo is a sham poo. Wait... whut?
yes trust in the other but also trust in yourself. hehe he said poo
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The heart has reasons for which the mind cannot possibly understand.
Love is a choice.
Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising up every time we fall.
Its our business.
Love is a choice? What are you choosing between? You made a loaded statement and I asked a loaded question, and I'm going to try not to jump to conclusions. However, if you're referring to what I think you're referring to, then I would say that true love doesn't make you choose; love is not an us-vs-them situation.
Mr. Analog's partly right, trust is the number one ingredient in a relationship. But you can love someone without being in a relationship with them, and if it turns out you can't trust them and you break up to make sure you don't get hurt, you can still love them until the end of time.
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0, my love is like a red, red rose,
that's newly sprung in June.
0, my love is like a melody,
that's sweetly play'd in tune.
As fair thou art, my bonnie lass,
so deep in love am I,
And I will love thee still, my dear,
till a' the seas gang dry.
Till a' the seas gang dry, my dear,
and the rocks melt wi' the sun!
And I will love thee still, my dear,
while the sands of life shall run.
And fare the weel, my only love!
And fare the well awhile!
And I will come again, my love.
Tho it were ten thousand mile!
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"Love is a hard rock between two people and can't be torn apart."
It's our business.
I'm confused how this thread got to where it has, especially with the last 3 posts above this one... deep thoughts often are plagued by deeper meaning, something that always seems to stir strong emotions in our tiny little part of web.
For sakes of friendships and relationships I would suggest the discussion direction this thread is having should be halted, and perhaps taken to a more personal interaction should anyone feel more discussion is needed. Writing, even in the best author's hands, can be sometimes taken more than one way. Face to face might be a more prudent course of action as emotional intent, body language, tone, etc can make the same conversation so much different than that in written word.
Lock the thread if you want to, I'm done with this business.
I leave with words of wisdom:
"Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other but in looking outward together in the same direction."
~Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry
please lock it as mr analog is right text based mediums leave much to be desired and are often taken how the reader choses to respond to it with his or her own background and feelings. feelings are not a choice feelings are irrational and everyone is entitled to feel how they feel. the choice lays in how you deal with the feelings with your own frame of reference.
Guys you miss-understood my post. I didn't want the thread locked, just wanted to get more back to the topic of Love, without involving any particular person's situations or standings. Just saw it going down a path that was only going to get worse.
So post on, as deep discussions are what forums are all about!!!!!!!
Let me ask my question a little more succinctly, as re-reading my earlier post shows that it didn't state quite what I was thinking.
Ustauk, you said, "Love is a choice". I didn't understand this statement and am wondering what you meant by it. And not because I want to pry into your personal life, but because I'm interested in what you meant by it. Did you mean that whether or not you love someone is a choice? Or that once you love someone you have to choose between them and others? Or that love gives you the ability to choose?
or maybe his meaning was along the lines of "love is a VERB (not a feeling)"?
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A circle never ends
A circle never begins
A circle is forever
I bring you...LOVE :-*
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 06:19:40 PM
I bring you...LOVE :-*
I take your love into my heart, my honeybunny :-*
I get the feeling my question isn't going to be answered.
So that means I can expound on it myself :) I don't think love is a choice, I think love influences the choices we make, but love by itself just sorta happens. I think love is weird, even though Darwinian logic dictates that it developed to ensure offspring survived.
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 06:19:40 PM
I bring you...LOVE :-*
:)
That so reminds me of that simpsons episode
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/information/scripts/3g01.shtml
QuoteALIEN
I bring you love!
DR HIBBERT
Is that the love between a man and a woman, or the love of a man for a fine Cuban cigar? (chuckles)
ALIEN
Uh...I bring you love!
LENNY
It's bringing love, don't let it get away!
CARL
Break its legs!
LISA
Wait! You want an alien? This is your alien!
Lisa shines her torch on it, and it is revealed to be Mr. Burns.
BURNS
Hello, children. I bring you love.
WILLY
It's a monster! Kill it! Kill it!
SMITHERS
It's not a monster, it's Mr. Burns.
WILLY
Aw, it's Mr. Burns. Kill it! Kill it!
Welcome to the boards hunnybunny...
Ach! I locked this thread based on Melbosa's judgement and now I am confused! Oh well! At least no one referenced those horrid "Love Is..." comic strips.
Quote from: Lazybones on September 14, 2007, 07:53:07 PM
Welcome to the boards hunnybunny...
I am not crazy, I'm crazy in love.
Thank you for your dear words :)
Quote from: Thorin on September 14, 2007, 06:49:08 PM
I get the feeling my question isn't going to be answered.
So that means I can expound on it myself :) I don't think love is a choice, I think love influences the choices we make, but love by itself just sorta happens. I think love is weird, even though Darwinian logic dictates that it developed to ensure offspring survived.
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God, grant the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
Tahtah for now.
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If it was love which made me fall for you...then I am still falling.
Two things: number one,
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It's not in being to old to start,
its in being too young to regret your life.
number two,
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First love, the love that clings to your heart forever, no matter how much pain it has caused, no matter how many tears have fallen, first love will never leave my soul.
Never surrender.
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:55:08 PM
Never surrender.
NEVER Give Up! NEVER SURRENDER!!! (see attachment) ;)
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
As in there's a child on the way?
Seriously, Ust can tell you not to get me started on the specifics of sex, I can tell some strange stories...
Anyway, this whole thread started off as (what I thought to be) a profound statement of what love is and isn't. I posted it in the hopes that there'd be people here who would agree or disagree with the definition of love given in that original post, but now it's definitely off the rails. I guess so much for intellectual discussion...
Quote from: Thorin on September 15, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
As in there's a child on the way?
Seriously, Ust can tell you not to get me started on the specifics of sex, I can tell some strange stories...
Anyway, this whole thread started off as (what I thought to be) a profound statement of what love is and isn't. I posted it in the hopes that there'd be people here who would agree or disagree with the definition of love given in that original post, but now it's definitely off the rails. I guess so much for intellectual discussion...
I pretty much agree, theres not much to discuss for me :)
Quote from: Thorin on September 15, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
As in there's a child on the way?
Seriously, Ust can tell you not to get me started on the specifics of sex, I can tell some strange stories...
Anyway, this whole thread started off as (what I thought to be) a profound statement of what love is and isn't. I posted it in the hopes that there'd be people here who would agree or disagree with the definition of love given in that original post, but now it's definitely off the rails. I guess so much for intellectual discussion...
To answer your question, inquisitive imp, love is a masterpiece created by heaven itself. Zeus reached down from above and placed his hands upon man and woman and so joined there beings together forever as one. What God has joined together, let no man tear asunder. And love is but a tear in ocean full of pain. Oh wondrous is the pleasures of love. But who out there has not felt the double edged sting of the sword of love. One might want to give up the quest of finding their soul mate, but I urge those doubting thomases to keep up the faith, for I believe there is someone for everyone. May you all find the love that Ustauk and I are now swimming in - until our deaths.
Love, yours truly,
HoneyBunny
PS: And oh, I forgot, I cannot swim.
Quote from: Thorin on September 15, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
As in there's a child on the way?
My dear friend, you misunderstand. With today's modern inventions, I can try to make babies without having them. Or, as I call it, making bacon.
Sincerely,
HoneyBunny
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 15, 2007, 02:42:48 AM
Quote from: Thorin on September 15, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: HoneyBunny on September 14, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
Boy, do I like making offspring :)
And Ustauk loves it too :)
As in there's a child on the way?
My dear friend, you misunderstand. With today's modern inventions, I can try to make babies without having them. Or, as I call it, making bacon.
Sincerely,
HoneyBunny
And I do love how you make bacon, my sweet HoneyBunny.
Yours Forever,
your Sugar Daddy
TMI
Quote from: Ustauk on September 15, 2007, 03:00:46 AM
your Sugar Daddy
Just so we're clear on the meaning of the words here:
Quote from: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sugar_daddy
Noun
sugar daddy (plural sugar daddies)
1. (slang) A man who spends money for the benefit of a younger person, especially a younger woman.
Usage notes
* This term typically implies that there is a romantic or sexual relationship between the two, and sometimes implies that the money-spending is, in effect, exchanged for sex.
Do you really want to be known as someone's sugar daddy? To me, that term always had negative connotations. You know, what with the exchanging expensive gifts for sex...
Quote from: Thorin on September 15, 2007, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: Ustauk on September 15, 2007, 03:00:46 AM
your Sugar Daddy
Just so we're clear on the meaning of the words here:
Quote from: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sugar_daddy
Noun
sugar daddy (plural sugar daddies)
1. (slang) A man who spends money for the benefit of a younger person, especially a younger woman.
Usage notes
* This term typically implies that there is a romantic or sexual relationship between the two, and sometimes implies that the money-spending is, in effect, exchanged for sex.
Do you really want to be known as someone's sugar daddy? To me, that term always had negative connotations. You know, what with the exchanging expensive gifts for sex...
You have NO idea how much I paid for her...
PS. She's older then me.
HoneyBunny's SugarDaddy
Yeah, paying for love/sex is so wrong and dirty. But meh whatever turns you crank.
I am HoneyBunny's first true boyfriend in every way. HoneyBunny was virgin, grade-A bacon, which only I have ever supped from. It's our business.
If it's your business why are you bringing it to the boards? Saying your her sugar daddy, ect ect? Bringing it out in a public place likes this makes it everyone business. IMO.
Wow, OK this is going way off in the wrong direction again!!!!!! Guys, sharing is one thing, but this is getting a little out of hand. Please, I emplore you to return this topic to the discussion Thorin originally had in mind.
We're in love, and we have no excuse. We are still in our honeymoon period. It is a pet name. I dislike the implications that were jumped to that I considered myself a john, and my girlfirend a "working girl".
Love and many kisses,
UstaukandHoneyBunny
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"Love is a dance that can only be performed by two hearts that share the same beat."
Many hugs and french kisses,
UstaukandHoneyBunny
Quote from: Ustauk on September 17, 2007, 08:32:50 AM
I am HoneyBunny's first true boyfriend in every way. HoneyBunny was virgin, grade-A bacon, which only I have ever supped from. It's our business.
Ustauk, I know you're happy and greatly enthused about your relationship, and granted you want to share that with everyone, but statements like this can lead to trolling, as happened before. I have to post this warning here, as this is the 3rd time the "It's our business" has been used in this thread, and each time has caused a dispute (granted not heated or vulgar).
As for this line of postings, as I posted before, everyone please correct your course, or take this conversation offline (PMs or emails) as this is getting way out of control!!!
And please,
Everyone review our forum rules & guidelines: http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php/topic,2448.0.html (http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php/topic,2448.0.html)
Quote from: CowGirl on September 17, 2007, 08:07:12 AM
Yeah, paying for love/sex is so wrong and dirty. But meh whatever turns you crank.
CowGirl, althought I agree with your first statement, just the context of where this post fell may have been a bit chasting (although I am sure that wasn't your intent), and would ask that
all of us keep a better watch on how we post, as I believe you were only punning back on Ustauk's own punning statement:
Quote from: UstaukYou have NO idea how much I paid for her...
Just a friendly warning for all....
Thread locked, as it's obviously causing too much bad blood.