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Title: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: CowGirl on November 23, 2007, 03:12:47 PM
http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/general/hondas_zero_emissions_motor_hits_the_road (http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/general/hondas_zero_emissions_motor_hits_the_road)
Title: Re: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 23, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
While this is kinda cool, I hate the term "zero emission" because it's so wildly inaccurate. It emits heat, water vapour and of course noise.

I mean, I won't even discuss the problems of battery disposal and the actual expense of making Hydrogen.
Title: Re: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: Thorin on November 25, 2007, 03:34:50 PM
Ditto on the terminology, but then a Suburban is considered a "Low Emission Vehicle" (LEV) according to California.  Well, it is compared to fifteen years ago when they started counting...

One of the problems with fuel cells is that the currently popular idea for hydrogen generation involves taking natural gas and purifying it.  Which means that our dependence on oil simply switches to our dependence on natural gas.  Besides which, purifying natural gas requires energy which has its own emissions cost.
Title: Re: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: Lazybones on November 25, 2007, 08:09:33 PM
Producing Hydrogen is something being worked on as well
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/26/bacteria_hydrogen_production/

Sounds like a rather clean way to make it and break down waste.
Title: Re: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: Mags on November 26, 2007, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: Thorin on November 25, 2007, 03:34:50 PM
Ditto on the terminology, but then a Suburban is considered a "Low Emission Vehicle" (LEV) according to California.  Well, it is compared to fifteen years ago when they started counting...

One of the problems with fuel cells is that the currently popular idea for hydrogen generation involves taking natural gas and purifying it.  Which means that our dependence on oil simply switches to our dependence on natural gas.  Besides which, purifying natural gas requires energy which has its own emissions cost.

Indeed, this is what I have heard as well. According to one scientist in the field if we switched all cars to hydrogen right now we would use just as much fossil fuels producing the hydrogen as we currently use.
Title: Re: Honda Zero Emission Motor hits the road
Post by: Cova on November 26, 2007, 02:08:59 PM
I'm still hoping that pure electric vehicles will make a comeback, and eventually become the mainstream provider of transportation.  I watched a good documentary about it a while back:  Who Killed the Electric Car? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/) (which I've got a copy of if anyone would like it).  I also recently heard of Tesla Motors (http://www.teslamotors.com/), and I want one of their roadsters.