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Title: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on October 28, 2011, 11:03:09 AM
28th out of 30 in goals for.
8th out of 30 in league standings.
3rd out of 15 in conference standings.
1st out of 5 in division standings.

NHL Standings (http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm#?navid=nav-stn-main)

Thank you Khabibulin for returning to what it says on your mask: The Bulin Wall.

This year is so much better than last year was.  Pettrell and Potter have surprised the hell outta me, and it sure feels good having too many NHL-caliber forwards instead of too few for a change.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 28, 2011, 11:05:55 AM
HELL YEAH!

Also even though I couldn't give a crap about the teams, the World Series has been AMAZING this year

TOO MUCH GOOD SPORTS
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Darren Dirt on October 28, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
since I've been reading "Last Words (http://www.amazon.com/Last-Words-George-Carlin/dp/B0052HKQUU)" (library ftw!), I gotta link to...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin+sports

Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 28, 2011, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on October 28, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
since I've been reading "Last Words (http://www.amazon.com/Last-Words-George-Carlin/dp/B0052HKQUU)" (library ftw!), I gotta link to...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin+sports

Soooo... okay, what are ya saying here? Hockey is an activity and they should have land mines in the outfield?
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Darren Dirt on October 28, 2011, 12:13:30 PM
Curious if you ask this from MEMORY of, or after just now listening to, one of his classic bits*?


...it's actually interesting to listen to the routines after having an idea of "where he was" at that time in his life.




*I'm not a big fan of that particular bit ("how to improve various sports") -- imo Baseball vs. Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXacL0Uny0) is way funnier (and more accurate ;) )
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on October 28, 2011, 12:28:28 PM
Quote from: Darren Dirt on October 28, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin+sports

Funny stuff.  However, this is just schtick to get people to laugh, it's certainly no great commentary on sports.  Also not sure how this ties into the purpose for this thread, which is to discuss the surprising start to the Oilers' season with friends (as opposed to the strangers on hfboards), but I think I'm starting to get used to every thread going off-topic on RW.  Hell, I do it myself a whole bunch.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 28, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Dang it I've been watching Carlin clips for the last 30 minutes haha

http://youtu.be/DB8wWlPdYRs
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on October 28, 2011, 12:46:33 PM
It's like Rick-rolling, but with Carlin.

ON TOPIC: Jay Batchelor tweeted that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has been officially told he's on the team for the rest of the year (holy stretch-out-the-anticipation-for-the-announcement, Batman!).
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 28, 2011, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: Thorin on October 28, 2011, 12:46:33 PM
Jay Batchelor tweeted that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has been officially told he's on the team for the rest of the year (holy stretch-out-the-anticipation-for-the-announcement, Batman!).

Yeah no kidding! I think it was a foregone conclusion but still they "worked it" for so freakin' long
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on October 31, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
Oh yeah!

TIED FOR FIRST IN THE WEST BABY!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on October 31, 2011, 08:09:13 PM
First in the west (Edmonton has a better goal differential because of their stupendously low goals against).  Also, second, SECOND, in the entire league!  Chicago could bump Edmonton to second in the west by winning their next game (they'd have the same points but better goal differential), and Chicago and Washington could bump Edmonton to fourth in the league by winning their next game.  Beyond that, other teams have the same number of games as Edmonton and are lower in the standings.  So it's not just some freak number of points coming from playing more games than other teams, Edmonton's actually got more points than most other teams even with the same number of games played!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Melbosa on November 02, 2011, 11:06:51 AM
Well if the Jets don't make the playoffs and the Oil do this year, I'll be back to cheering for them.  Well they still are my # 2, so I watch and cheer when they aren't causing my Jets hassle with wins ;).

Glad they are making a good start to the season.  Especially for all the fans that stuck with them through the last 5 years of rough road (since the 2006 playoff run).
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on November 02, 2011, 12:24:12 PM
Yeah, the Jets and the Oil won't see each other much this year.

Oilers: 25 goals scored, 5th place in the league.
Jets: 30 goals scored, 27th place in the league.

The difference?  Goalie save percentages.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Melbosa on November 02, 2011, 01:08:46 PM
Yep only once in Regular Season do they play, and in Winnipeg... so I probably won't see them on the ice live at all this year.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Melbosa on November 02, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
I guess on the "bright side", I'm used to watching a team in the bottom 5 thanks to the oilers. :(
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
If disappointment is what you crave might I suggest the Leafs

HA!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Darren Dirt on November 03, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
If disappointment is what you crave might I suggest the Leafs

HA!

Ironic choice of days to say this ;)
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 03, 2011, 07:03:23 AM
Aww poor widdwe Brodeur got his butt handed to his him

BUT that's how the Leafs get ya:

You think HOLY SLKJDF! THEY CAN DO STUFF THIS IS THE YEAR

and then

BELOW AVERAGE PLAY FOREVER

They glide into the playoffs and then glide into the golf course

The Leafs BLOW




ah ah ah!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 04, 2011, 01:46:23 PM
6 game win streak; first time since 2002!

BOOYAH
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on November 04, 2011, 03:27:17 PM
Lowest goals against in the league.  Dubnyk's in the top 10 goalies for save percentage and goals against average, and all I gotta say is he better step his game up if he wants to take another game away from Khabibulin.  Good lord, that sounds so surreal - before the season started all the bloggers were calling for Dubnyk to be the starter and Khabi to back him up or even get sent down to OKC.

Potter's a surprise signing that is turning out good.  Pettrell, same thing (although his advanced stats are not as good as the announcers are making him sound).  Teubert (acquired in the Penner trade with LA last year) showed himself valuable in his first game up.  I would've never imagined this huge of a turnaround from last year - seriously, at the moment there is talk amongst bloggers of where to put Hemsky because there aren't really any players you want to bump.

Jones maybe?  But he's doing quite well with Horcoff and Smyth.  Gagner?  Paajarvi?  Those two need playing time, too.  Fourth line?  Hemsky on the fourth line?  What a weird thought...
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 04, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
I think Hemsky would make a great soccer coach ;) (j/k)

It's a pleasant surprise for once to have so many new members pay off so soon.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on November 04, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 04, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
I think Hemsky would make a great soccer coach ;) (j/k)

Fernando Pisani is coaching little people indoor soccer in St Albert.  It's weird having a former Oiler hold the gate open for you as you come off the field and he goes on.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 04, 2011, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Thorin on November 04, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 04, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
I think Hemsky would make a great soccer coach ;) (j/k)

Fernando Pisani is coaching little people indoor soccer in St Albert.  It's weird having a former Oiler hold the gate open for you as you come off the field and he goes on.


hehehehe
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on November 08, 2011, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on November 02, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
If disappointment is what you crave might I suggest the Leafs

"Only one team in the NHL has averaged less than one shot per powerplay ? the Toronto Maple Leafs" - source (http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/11/08/fun-with-numbers-rummaging-through-powerplay-stats/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HousesOfTheHockey+%28Houses+of+the+Hockey%29)

God, that must suck.  Even last year, the Oil would average at least one shot per powerplay!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on November 08, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Ah but you don't understand the depths of the suckage my friend lol

You just watch, somehow they'll make it into the second round of playoffs though LOL
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
 ... Remember when? ...

Hey Mel, gratz on them Jets, they're certainly doing better than the Oil.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on February 09, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Once again the mid-season baffles the Oil... can't say I'm surprised... can't say I'm happy.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 04:04:30 PM
Here's an interesting graph: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?season=20112012&gameType=2&viewName=goalsByPeriod

Goals For by period:
1: 46, 2: 50, 3: 43
Goals Against by period:
1: 42, 2: 54, 3: 61

So the Oil start slow, have a scoring bubble in the second period, and taper off into the third.  Meanwhile, the Oil start good at stopping goals, then get progressively worse as the game wears on.

I know how we can fix that, put Pettrell on the second line, Hemsky on the third and Jones on the fourth!  Yeah, that'll make 'em play better!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Darren Dirt on February 09, 2012, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 04:04:30 PM
Here's an interesting graph: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?season=20112012&gameType=2&viewName=goalsByPeriod

Goals For by period:
1: 46, 2: 50, 3: 43
Goals Against by period:
1: 42, 2: 54, 3: 61

So the Oil start slow, have a scoring bubble in the second period, and taper off into the third.  Meanwhile, the Oil start good at stopping goals, then get progressively worse as the game wears on.

I know how we can fix that, put Pettrell on the second line, Hemsky on the third and Jones on the fourth!  Yeah, that'll make 'em play better!


well, it's not like we're at the absolute TOP of the list (see it sorted by 3rd period goals-against (http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLSAAALL&sort=goalsAgainstInPeriod3&viewName=goalsByPeriod)) (just pretty close).


The real question is, who's to blame? a weak defense? (http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLSAAALL&sort=avgShotsAgainstPerGame&viewName=goalsByPeriod) <-- those stats kinda hint at it... but then again maybe it's more like a lazy/uncoordinated offense? (http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLSAAALL&sort=avgShotsPerGame&viewName=goalsByPeriod)

Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on February 09, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
I think we should put Hemsky on the 48th line...
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
Yeah, well, anyone following the Oilers knows we don't shoot enough and allow too many shots.  However, those stats you linked, Darren, can be very misleading.  It all comes down to how dangerous of a shot it was.  30 shots from the blue line are less dangerous than 3 shots from the crease on the opposite side of the goalie.  Thus I like to look at scoring chances rather than shots.  Too bad there isn't a league-wide measure of those (David Staples compiles them for the Oilers as a hobby).

While I do see Hemsky giving up on plays and getting frustrated, by scoring chances he's not doing too much wrong defensively (i.e. he's in the correct place on the ice doing the correct thing for a winger).  As an illustration, have a look through this frame-by-frame of all four goals scored against and marked as a negative against Hemsky: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4289.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Melbosa on February 09, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
Quote from: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
... Remember when? ...

Hey Mel, gratz on them Jets, they're certainly doing better than the Oil.

I know, we got a lucky one tonight to put Washington to a shoot out, but damn we outplayed them most of the game!  I'm hoping for a 8th place playoff clench!
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Darren Dirt on February 10, 2012, 01:28:16 AM
Quote from: Thorin on February 09, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
While I do see Hemsky giving up on plays and getting frustrated, by scoring chances he's not doing too much wrong defensively (i.e. he's in the correct place on the ice doing the correct thing for a winger).  As an illustration, have a look through this frame-by-frame of all four goals scored against and marked as a negative against Hemsky: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4289.

"mc79hockey.com is a statistically oriented website focused on the many ways in which the Oilers disappoint us..."  ;D
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on February 24, 2012, 11:40:51 AM
The way the Oil have been playing the last few games, they might actually climb out of 29th!

What a change from the first page of posts in this thread.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on February 24, 2012, 11:43:03 AM
That's for sure, I was pretty damn impressed with the way the clobbered the ol' Broad Street Bullies.

It'd be great to see 'em jump a few rungs in the ladder, that's for sure.
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on February 24, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
Here's something weird: Winnipeg and Edmonton have the exact same goals for and goals against:

Winnipeg, 1st in their division, 3rd in their conference, 14th in the league: 161 goals for, 178 goals against, on 63 games played
Edmonton, 5th in their division, 14th in their conference, 29th in the league: 161 goals for, 178 goals against, on 60 games played

WINNIPEG IS THIRD IN THEIR CONFERENCE!  HOLY BLAP!  Of course, if they get knocked out of first in their division, they'll drop to seventh or even eighth in their conference.

"eighth"...  Is that the right spelling?
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on February 24, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Eighth, yes :D

Yeah, no surprise they knocked out the Leafs
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Thorin on March 27, 2012, 04:51:30 PM
Well, the Oil are now out of 29th and into 28th.  Six games left, three that matter for the opponent (one against Dallas, two against LA, who both have a chance to make playoffs or get knocked out yet), three that don't (two against Anaheim who can't make it, one against Vancouver who are now guaranteed in).  So we'll probably see three losses and three wins.  The talk now is about who to draft.  <sigh>  That all-too-familiar talk.

I'm impressed that Ladislav Smid has more than doubled his career number of goals scored in the NHL this season.  He was at 4 goals in 5 seasons, now he's at 9 goals in 6 seasons.  Hopefully he keeps that up, and hopefully they don't trade him away now that he's finally playing well (see many former Oilers that have scored on us just this season).
Title: Re: How 'bout them Oilers?
Post by: Mr. Analog on March 27, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
If we let LA get two points it pushes Calgary out of contention.

I'm not saying they should THROW THE Friday GAME but maybe they should THROW THE Friday GAME

:D