After Tom mentioned it I though i should open a post on it... Some nice call in one web administered solutions that can work on a small business or personal level.
http://yunohost.org/
http://owncloud.org/
This is perfect timing actually I have a friend who is trying to start her own web comic and wants to do it with her own site rather than using tumblr or wordpress.
I pretty much wanted to use owncloud for sharing pictures and whatnot. Maybe some files... But the image gallery in the current stable version is a load of suck.
Where does it show that it can be used as a website? All I see is features that let you store info in a cloud that is (supposedly) locked down to only you.
En Fran?ais:
http://wiki.yunohost.org/Installer_un_site_web
Quote from: Thorin on December 19, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
Where does it show that it can be used as a website? All I see is features that let you store info in a cloud that is (supposedly) locked down to only you.
With Owncloud you can make things shared, share items with other people using the same instance, or give out public links to items.
That's all well and good, but its photo gallery app... fairly unusable imo. It doesn't seem to have a proper concept of separate galleries (groups of pictures) and the mobile app really didn't work all that well.
Speaking of the mobile app, they don't seem to intend to support android's account data as a built in feature.. Instead you have to find other apps to sync your calendar, todo, and other data with it. It's like what's the point ::) Basically all the app is good for is syncing files. Which I suppose is ok, but its not a feature I care about too much.
I ended up clicking the Developer tab on owncloud.org, which made me learn about the kanban board product called huboard.com (similar to Pivotal Tracker), which made me learn about github commit push commands.
Fun!
The calendars are consumable via Caldav, which should be natively supported by the android calendar app.
It also uses carddav for the address book.
And WebDAV if you wanted to mount the file stores remotely ...
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
The calendars are consumable via Caldav, which should be natively supported by the android calendar app.
It also uses carddav for the address book.
And WebDAV if you wanted to mount the file stores remotely ...
I'd rather sync all my existing stuff up to it. And not have to have a special app for each and every different type of data I want to sync.
Also did I mention the photo sharing stuff needs work?
;)
I'll probably try it out again later. it seems its a bit rough around the edges atm.
I didn't realize the native google android calendar and contacts apps don't support these common formats , funny because google them selves have just expires active sync support.
Guess your only option is a google account or a 3rd party app?
iOS devices support Activesync , IMAP and Caldav for calendars
And carddav and Activesync for contacts.
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
I didn't realize the native google android calendar and contacts apps don't support these common formats , funny because google them selves have just expires active sync support.
I honestly haven't checked to see what they support. I'd bet though that they are pure google though.
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
Guess your only option is a google account or a 3rd party app?
iOS devices support Activesync , IMAP and Caldav for calendars
And carddav and Activesync for contacts.
My main interest in my owncloud was to have a nice photo album thing and some file sharing. And secondarily maybe sync my contacts and calendars, but none of that really works all that well for me at this point in time. which kinda sucks.
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
The calendars are consumable via Caldav, which should be natively supported by the android calendar app.
It also uses carddav for the address book.
And WebDAV if you wanted to mount the file stores remotely ...
idk why, but I see the above post, realize that any of sharing the above with our SO = eyerolling guaranteed #GreekToMe
Quote from: Darren Dirt on December 20, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
The calendars are consumable via Caldav, which should be natively supported by the android calendar app.
It also uses carddav for the address book.
And WebDAV if you wanted to mount the file stores remotely ...
idk why, but I see the above post, realize that any of sharing the above with our SO = eyerolling guaranteed #GreekToMe
Or they can just see the shared calendars and other stuff on the web interface ;)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on December 20, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on December 19, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
The calendars are consumable via Caldav, which should be natively supported by the android calendar app.
It also uses carddav for the address book.
And WebDAV if you wanted to mount the file stores remotely ...
idk why, but I see the above post, realize that any of sharing the above with our SO = eyerolling guaranteed #GreekToMe
Because of the product names sound unfamiliar?
Well I have SSL and my own domain setup now... Been playing around with OwnCloud...
Thoughts so far
Dropbox replacement
- iOS app doesn't support full Photo Sync, you can multi-select uploads but it is a very manual process.. The recent upload all option in Dropbox is much nicer.
- It is possible to mount a bunch of external storage (SFT/SFTP/SMB etc) into your account... I have a SMB share on my nas mounts now... SO essentially I have unlimited external encrypted access to my home files now. You can also use this feature to consolidate access to dropbox and other services but I think their clients are better.
Contacts
- Contacts app is rather basic on the web UI side
Bookmarks
- Webui can import google bookmark exports but the UI kind of sucks... it does however support a bookmark-let for making new bookmarks easy.
- Alternatively if you have the XMarks plugin in your browser you can use OwnCloud as a WebDav store and host your own files... Thus going away from having a 3rd party do it.
Just some initial thoughts...
If you want to play with it I can set you up an account.. I don't guarantee up-time at the moment.
Bonus, they appear to be trying to complete their personal RSS module before the big google reader cut off.
As mentioned previously, I was mainly interested in their photo sharing, but its rather incomplete, and seems to be totally unsupported. aka: they have noone to work on any of it at this point. so it likely won't improve any time soon.
Their gallery could be better
I read they won't be integrating any of their features with android's stuff. So its rather quite useless for mobile imo.
Quote from: Tom on April 14, 2013, 11:30:25 AM
I read they won't be integrating any of their features with android's stuff. So its rather quite useless for mobile imo.
Where did you hear that? Although if Android doesn't support CardDav, CalDav, WebDav already I think it is a moot point anyway.
Quote from: Lazybones on April 14, 2013, 11:32:56 AM
Quote from: Tom on April 14, 2013, 11:30:25 AM
I read they won't be integrating any of their features with android's stuff. So its rather quite useless for mobile imo.
Where did you hear that? Although if Android doesn't support CardDav, CalDav, WebDav already I think it is a moot point anyway.
I was reading it on the forums. AFAIR they won't have any kind of import or sync support between android and owncloud. So it's all manual setup with the parts that android does support. Kindof lame if you ask me.
Not sure I follow on the manual setup parts and the parts supported bit. It isn't like the parts there are automated parts for iOS.
Quote from: Lazybones on April 14, 2013, 12:48:54 PM
Not sure I follow on the manual setup parts and the parts supported bit. It isn't like the parts there are automated parts for iOS.
I mean, normally you'd see an app, say like skype or facebook share, or let you import your contacts and other things into android. that seems to be something they /won't/ do. Android probably does support caldev, but you have to set it up yourself.
The whole point of using Caldav / card Dav is so you set them up in the native app.
When you grab google drive iOS it doesn't setup your gmail as contact or google calendar as your calendar.
Same goes for skydive from Microsoft. The storage app is a serperate app for the point of syncing files, you need to manually enter your calendar, contact and email account settings. To use those services.
I suppose it would be convenient if it set these up since owncloud puts these in one place but they are hardly difficult to setup one time.
owncloud isn't just a file storage service. It's an /everything/ service. It is supposed to be a host for your calendar, contacts, photos, everything. Your entire cloud as it were. And the fact that it doesn't easily integrate makes it a lot less useful in my oppinion.
What would it be like if gmail didn't integrate with android? or facebook? or twitter? Android would be a lot less useful.
Google services only integrate that way on android devices, same goes for MS services on MS devices and Apple services on apples.
These are all big services but they only deeply integrate on their native platform.
You're completely ignoreing the other services that integrate with both platforms.
Quote from: Tom on April 15, 2013, 06:43:05 AM
You're completely ignoreing the other services that integrate with both platforms.
Such as?
As far as I can tell you want the own cloud client to setup the whole phone and take over Calendar, Contacts, Online storage and bookmarks.. And do it for you on install automated.
Might be possible on Androids... but not under restricted APIs on Apples devices... Not sure about MS and Blackberries.
I don't want it to take over, I want it to integrate like facebook and twitter do. Neither of them take over anything. They just add to the pool of contacts.
Quote from: Tom on April 15, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
I don't want it to take over, I want it to integrate like facebook and twitter do. Neither of them take over anything. They just add to the pool of contacts.
So it is specifically the contacts app integration... That makes more sense.
Any and all possible integration would be best. Android is very modular. It aught to be able to integrate with the android photo album as well, at least one would hope.
But yeah. the main reason I was interested in owncloud was the photo album. And it sucks pretty hard.
The iOS app photo viewing had a major improvement recently... not sure if the Android one was updated or not.