Microsoft unveils Visual Studio 2013 and Visual Studio Online

[Lazybones]

http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-unveils-visual-studio-2013-and-visual-studio-online-takes-development-cloud

True cloud development, accept you know when the MS cloud is offline.

[Tom]

http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-unveils-visual-studio-2013-and-visual-studio-online-takes-development-cloud

True cloud development, accept you know when the MS cloud is offline.

Accept that it will go offline.

[Mr. Analog]

Yeh, the presentation was fairly Azure heavy

The irony being they put all these eggs in the basket but didn't change tack even after all the fear over NSA snooping has already started hurting other US based hosting services

Microsoft: Always behind the Wave!

[Lazybones]

Yeh, the presentation was fairly Azure heavy

The irony being they put all these eggs in the basket but didn't change tack even after all the fear over NSA snooping has already started hurting other US based hosting services

Microsoft: Always behind the Wave!

The TRUTH behind Microsoft Azure's global cloud mega-cock-up
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/azure_outage_reveal/

Software update that goes bad.. I think this is one of the biggest issues with cloud.. is that if it is Software as a Services many force you to keep up to date which can be just as dangrerus as staying on a VERY old release.

It takes away the flexibility of strategically delaying upgrades.

[Mr. Analog]

The other thing to look at is Amazon's cloud service failure earlier this year (and previously last year) the nodes are supposed to be redundant so whole sites don't go down however the failure happened at the highest possible level and showed that Amazon cloud (at least) had a segmented structure, one segment goes down and several apps go with it.

Microsoft assures us that outside of a systemic failure this shouldn't happen but... I don't know. Is this any better than going with a dedicated host? Those flood compartments designed to localize flooding worked pretty well on the Titanic, until they didn't :I

[Thorin]

Wait, "accept" as in "just get used to it" or "except" as in "that's nice but"?

[Mr. Analog]

Wait, "accept" as in "just get used to it" or "except" as in "that's nice but"?

I think both meanings work in this scenario

[Thorin]

So Visual Studio Online is mostly source control, build services, and other automation tools.  There's the lightweight code editor, but it's only meant for making changes to apps already on Azure.

[Mr. Analog]

Yeah, the focus seems to be on making remote authoring in Azure really easy and integrated...

*worriedly glances at the horrible beast we call TFS*

"easy"

[Lazybones]

The other thing to look at is Amazon's cloud service failure earlier this year (and previously last year) the nodes are supposed to be redundant so whole sites don't go down however the failure happened at the highest possible level and showed that Amazon cloud (at least) had a segmented structure, one segment goes down and several apps go with it.

Microsoft assures us that outside of a systemic failure this shouldn't happen but... I don't know. Is this any better than going with a dedicated host? Those flood compartments designed to localize flooding worked pretty well on the Titanic, until they didn't :I

Amazon has had zones go down, and their own auto zone fail over has failed... but they have never had all of their zones go down that I know of... Knowing this you can build a service on top of Amazon and as long as you build in your own fault controls like Netflix does you can generally avoid complete failure but not all the time.

The Global time zone and upgrade failures on Azure should frighten anyone considering a Microsoft Cloud.

[Mr. Analog]

Agreed!