Linux in VirtualBox without admin rights (Windows host)

[Tom]

It's a Dell Latitude C610
http://www.pcworld.com/product/8423/latitude-610c-notebook.html

I was running Eclipse on Ubuntu on it for a while, seemed fast enough for what I was doing with it.

Does it still have 128MB ram, and a 10GB hard drive? I seem to recall eclipse needing a bit more memory than that lol.

Oh the Java hate is strong with this one...

Dude, I do Android dev. Eclipse is a /dog/.

[Mr. Analog]

In the trash it goes :-)

[Darren Dirt]

So... any other places u guys suggest I shop around at for a decent non-gaming laptop (4gb RAM, 500gb HDD, numeric keypad) at under $450?
MemEx
Walmart
FutureShop/BestBuy
The Source
Laptop Depot
Sal's Back-Alley Discount Laptorium
That Place In Westmount Mall (really)



(and note to self: also decide if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_USB or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine is the better way to go for my ongoing Odin Project studies... )

[Lazybones]

NCIX.com


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[Darren Dirt]

So... any other places u guys suggest I shop around at for a decent non-gaming laptop (4gb RAM, 500gb HDD, numeric keypad) at under $450?


Memory Express
-$429.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD E2-3800 quad-core 2mbCache 1.3 GHz 15.6" LED , until July 31st (then $449.99)
#mehCache -$429.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD E1-2500 dual-core 1mbCache 1.4 GHz 15.6" LCD
#mehCache -$399.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD E2-1800 dual-core 1mbCache 1.7 GHz 15.6" LED, until July 31 (then $429.99)


NCIX.com
-$442.34 for 4gb/500gb AMD E2-3800 quad-core 2mbCache 1.3 GHz 15.6" LCD
-$384.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron 2955U dual-core 2mbCache 1.4 GHz 15.6" LED
-$399.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium 3556U dual-core 2mbCache 1.7 GHz 15.6" LED
#mehCache -$449.00 for 4gb/500gb AMD E1-2100 dual-core 1mbCache 1.0 GHz 15.6" (LED? LCD?)
#mehCache -$448.98 for 4gb/500gb AMD E1-2100 dual-core 1mbCache 1.0 GHz 15.6" (LED? LCD?)


Walmart
-$348.00 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron N2920 quad-core 2mbCache 1.86 GHz 15.6" LED
#mehCache -$398.00 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron N2810 1mbCache 2.0 GHz 15.6" LED
#mehCache 6gb! -$428.00 for 6gb/750gb AMD E1-2500 dual-core 1mbCache 1.4 GHz 15.6" LCD
#mehCache -$368.00 for 4gb/320gb AMD E-300 dual-core 1mbCache 1.3 GHz 15.6" LED
#mehCache -$335.00 for 4gb/320gb AMD E1-2100 dual-core 1mbCache 1.0 GHz 15.6" LED


Future Shop
-$399.95 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3520U quad-core 2mbCache 2.17 GHz 15.6" LCD
-$429.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron N2920 quad-core 2mbCache 1.86 GHz 15.6" LED


BestBuy
8gb! -$499.99 for 8gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2mbCache 2.16 GHz 15.6"
8gb! -$399.99 for 8gb/500gb Intel Core i5-3337U dual-core 3mbCache 1.8 GHz 15.6" , until July 21st (then $499.99)
-$429.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron N2920 quad-core 2mbCache 1.86 GHz 15.6" LED
-$399.99 for 4gb/320gb AMD E2-6110 quad-core 2mbCache 1.5 GHz 15.6"
-$449.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD E2-3800 quad-core 2mbCache 1.3 GHz 15.6" LED
-$399.95 for 4gb/500gb AMD A4-5000 dual-core 2mbCache 1.5 GHz 15.6"
#mehCache -$449.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Celeron N2810 1mbCache 2.0 GHz 15.6" LED
#mehCache -$399.99 for 4gb/320gb AMD E2-1800 dual-core 1mbCache 1.7 GHz 15.6"
#mehCache -$399.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD E1-2100 dual-core 1mbCache 1.0 GHz 15.6"


The Source
-$299.96 for 4gb/320gb Intel Celeron B830 dual-core 2mbCache 1.8 GHz 15.6" , until July 13 (then $379.99)
-$399.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3520U quad-core 2mbCache 2.17 GHz 15.6" LED, until July 30th (then $499.99)
-$429.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2mbCache 2.16 GHz 15.6" LED
-$399.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD A6-6310 quad-core 2mbCache 2.4 GHz 15.6" LED, until July 30th (then $449.99)


Computer-Depot.ca


Laptop Depot


Sal's Back-Alley Discount Laptorium


That Place In Westmount Mall (really)


(and note to self: also decide if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_USB or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine is the better way to go for my ongoing Odin Project studies... )

I'll use this post to maintain a list of links to the websites' not-high-end laptop sections, and to potential candidates and Really Sweet Deals.

[Darren Dirt]

Note to self:
just make a decision and act on it already, yeesh!

(weekend plans)


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I finished using Google to visit the appropriate page on site:intel.com and site:amd.com to get official info re. cache  & GHz info on each laptop processor choice...

So then I decided to maybe only go with just quad-core laptops (with numeric keypads, of course). I don't think dual-core would be better in any way (unless perhaps power consumption, but minimally).

So from there I produced a "short list" of CPUs:

Intel Celeron N2920
Intel Pentium N3530
Intel Pentium N3520U
AMD E2-3800
AMD E2-6110
AMD A6-6310



From this I did a basic comparison @ a couple of cool websites to confirm which CPUs were older/newer and which were apples vs apples or apples vs non-apples... ( I also found really helpful the long-maintained grid of chip info @ http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=347 )

(Intel)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3530-vs-Intel-Celeron-N2920
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3520-vs-Intel-Celeron-N2920
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3530-vs-Intel-N3520

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/719/Intel_Mobile_Celeron_N2920_vs_Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3530.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/718/Intel_Mobile_Celeron_N2920_vs_Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3520.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/742/Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3520_vs_Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3530.html
(/Intel)


(AMD)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-E2-3800-vs-AMD-E2-6110
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-E2-3800-vs-AMD-A6-6310
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-E2-6110-vs-AMD-A6-6310

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/142/AMD_E2-Series_E2-3800_vs_AMD_E2-Series_E2-6110.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/483/AMD_A6-Series_for_Notebooks_A6-6310_vs_AMD_E2-Series_E2-3800.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/480/AMD_A6-Series_for_Notebooks_A6-6310_vs_AMD_E2-Series_E2-6110.html
(/AMD)

[Darren Dirt]

So it looks like maybe it's a no-brainer if it's just $50 or so difference between Intel vs AMD:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3530-vs-AMD-A6-6310
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/282/AMD_A6-Series_for_Notebooks_A6-6310_vs_Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3530.html


Other than rated speed and power, the hardware specs for the various laptops themselves seem similar to each (e.g. quad-core, 2mb L2 cache, 500gb HD, 15.6" presumably-LED display...) so from the above I "shorter-listed" down to this "best under-500 CPU at a decent price" selection...

1. Intel Pentium N3530 (cpu=Feb2014; 2.16 GHz for $429 @ TheSource for 4gb RAM, or $499 @ BestBuy for 8gb RAM)

or

2. Intel Pentium N3520U (cpu=Nov2013; 2.17 GHz for $399 [reg price $499] @ TheSource for 4gb RAM)
(I'm guessing that chip #1 has replaced #2 since they are virtually identical specs; cpuboss.com above benchmarked #1 as insignificantly faster than #2)

or

3. AMD A6-6310 (cpu=Apr2014; 2.4 GHz for $399 @ TheSource for 4gb RAM)


1a. TheSource: $429.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2mbCache 2.16 GHz 15.6" LED
(1a is apparently red ... but also out of stock around Edmonton right now )

1b. BestBuy: $499.99 for 8gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2mbCache 2.16 GHz 15.6"

2.  TheSource: $399.99 for 4gb/500gb Intel Pentium N3520U quad-core 2mbCache 2.17 GHz 15.6" LED (July 30th $499.99)

3.  TheSource: $399.99 for 4gb/500gb AMD A6-6310 quad-core 2mbCache 2.4 GHz 15.6" LED (July 30th $449.99)



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So what are your guys' thoughts re. the stated CPU speeds (similar caches, although Intels have half the size of L2 since they also have L3) -- specifically, what would I expect the impact on ACTUAL performance I will encounter when I go through Odin Project stuff

(based on http://cpuboss.com/blog/this-comic-will-help-you-help-your-friends-choose-their-next-computer/ I will be clear, I expect to doing this kind of stuff: running VirtualBox, compiling code, running web and db server, moving around thousands of files on the HD etc..)
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If they are likely to be pretty similar, I would guess the Intel is the better choice due to its lower voltage and TDP (~power rating) -- Intel = 0.4-1.14V and 7.5W , AMD = 0.5-1.4V and 15W.

And if there is a major difference in look or comfort or weight in laptops, that might be the final decision point (if not much difference otherwise).

[Darren Dirt]

...oh great, I just discovered THIS:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/flyers/laptop-sales/

:sigh: more research I guess... (ps: the 8gb laptop @ BestBuy is MSRP, and is also same @ FutureShop)

[Mr. Analog]

If it's a dev box just go for all the RAM you can get

[Darren Dirt]

If it's a dev box just go for all the RAM you can get

LOL exactly why I've now upped my specs to include the 8gb RAM (and pretty much decided on non-AMD and definitely non-Celeron)

[Mr. Analog]

There ya go

[Darren Dirt]

eep! an even better deal on 8gb laptop...
FutureShop: "Toshiba Satellite L50-B" $449.99 8gb/1000gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2.16 GHz 2mbCache 15.6" LED, until July 14th (then $549.99)
( vs same exact thing @ BestBuy but for $499.99 #wtf )


...and a similar deal @ TheSource: $499.99 for 8gb/500gb Intel Core i5-3337U dual-core 3mbCache 1.8 GHz 15.6" , until July 30th (then $599.99)
But I had removed that one earlier from my short list due to its "dual core".

So is that really that much worse than "quad core", especially for the stuff I will be doing?

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/803/Intel_Core_i5_Mobile_i5-3337U_vs_Intel_Mobile_Pentium_N3530.html
yeah, kinda -- but the dual-core "requires much more power"

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3530-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3337U
again, WAY worse for power consumption ... and oh yeah I forgot it's got a TINY L2cache So ... meh.

[Mr. Analog]

Depending on the tools you're using having more cores is better, I mean let's say you have a database running along side a debugger alongside a browser, having more CPU helps there as you can imagine.

I mean when it comes to a dev machine you can go fairly deep when it comes to specs but it really depends on what kind of development you're planning on. More power is always better, and hardware is cheap

[Darren Dirt]

Depending on the tools you're using having more cores is better, I mean let's say you have a database running along side a debugger alongside a browser, having more CPU helps there as you can imagine.

I mean when it comes to a dev machine you can go fairly deep when it comes to specs but it really depends on what kind of development you're planning on. More power is always better, and hardware is cheap

Looks like the WINNER is gonna be FutureShop: "Toshiba Satellite L50-B" $449.99 8gb/1000gb Intel Pentium N3530 quad-core 2.16 GHz 2mbCache 15.6" LED, until July 14th (then $549.99) (barring any last-minute candidates entering my awareness)

Might even grab it tonight ... since July 14th is coming up fast!

[Lazybones]

If it's a dev box just go for all the RAM you can get

LOL exactly why I've now upped my specs to include the 8gb RAM (and pretty much decided on non-AMD and definitely non-Celeron)

Celeron is ancient history, it is Atom and i3 at the bottom.  A high end i3 isn't too bad but I would go i5 to be safe.


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