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Title: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 30, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Never even thought of this.

http://agileandfamily.blogspot.ca/2012/02/what-is-it-about-agile-and-kanban-that.html

cool idea. Can't hurt to try (for my domestic situation anyway -- bad at getting the kids to get stuff done around the house and/or their homework, get decent sleep etc.) (bad parent feeling guilty) (likes brackets too much) (avoiding actual work @ work I guess*)


http://agileandfamily.blogspot.ca/p/agile-kids-book.html
http://www.swiftkanban.com/kanban/1-what-is-kanban.html
http://www.swiftkanban.com/kanban/42-what-is-kanban-board.html
http://www.swiftkanban.com/kanban/41-what-is-scrumban.html




* (or maybe I'm simply out of ENERGY (http://theenergyproject.com/key-ideas) i.e. feeling "exhausted, emotionally depleted, unfocused, and lacking purpose ... disengaged" -- and I need to refresh/recharge (http://hbr.org/2007/10/manage-your-energy-not-your-time/ar/4) more, and more often)


Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 01:38:51 PM
Oddly enough Kanban works really well for chores / home projects. Get a whiteboard and some sticky notes or use a Kanban site

I think daily family standups works as well, when I was a kid we used dinner time sort of the same way (what's everybody doing, is anybody having issues, etc)
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Thorin on September 30, 2014, 02:48:02 PM
It's less about what system you use and more about sticking to it.  We've tried several systems to get everyone to pitch in here but after a few days or a week enforcement stops and everyone goes back to their lazy selves.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
That's true, I've seen the same thing in IT as well, things get rough and people fall back into bad habits.

At some point a team needs to address it and get back into good habits and start fresh again. Sadly, momentum doesn't drive itself (FU Newton!) and sometimes it takes substantial energy up front to bring things back on track.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Tom on September 30, 2014, 02:56:52 PM
So don't stop enforcement that soon? :o noone gets used to a change that big after only a few days or a week.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Lazybones on September 30, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Tom on September 30, 2014, 02:56:52 PM
So don't stop enforcement that soon? :o noone gets used to a change that big after only a few days or a week.

MUCH longer:

http://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/hbrc/2012/06/29/busting-the-21-days-habit-formation-myth/
QuoteThe bottom line is: stay strong. 21 days is a myth; habit formation typically takes longer than that. The best estimate is 66 days, but it?s unwise to attempt to assign a number to this process. The duration of habit formation is likely to differ depending on who you are and what you are trying to do. As long as you continue doing your new healthy behaviour consistently in a given situation, a habit will form. But you will probably have to persevere beyond January 21st.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
That's for sure

The key tenets for both agile and scrum are all about building good habits

There's a reason why you have daily stand up at the same time every day, the same reason you set sprint limits and produce reviews. It's all about making a framework that sets the foundation to work from and grow good habits.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Thorin on September 30, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
Yeah, it's not just under my control.  I have in the past tried to be the parent that enforces the rules, but then the other parent doesn't and I end up the bad guy that everyone hates.  So I pick my battles.  Someday they'll have all moved out and I'll have carved out my own space that is tidy, and there'll be only the two of us creating mess so it'll be easier to jump on and clean up.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Tom on September 30, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
I have a very hard time with habit forming. Some habits come easy, and are hard to get rid of. Others are incredibly time consuming, and even if I have programmed them in over the long term, a major mood flip or change in routines on my part will make all of those habits go away. poof. gone. and I have to spend a long time working on building them again.

It's been like that since I was a child. I think I first noticed it when I was living in sherwood park back in the day related to teeth brushing.

If something changes my schedule/routines, its a big hit. And mood changes are the largest contributor to that. I get depressed and all hell breaks loose schedule/routine wise, and there goes all of my routine based habits.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 03:28:57 PM
The hard part is forming good habits around the things we don't like to do, ironically that's why it's so important to keep working at it.

It's harder when you are alone and you don't have someone to help push things along. Turns out it's tough to kick your own butt in gear (remarkably easy to blame yourself when things don't get done though! haha)
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Lazybones on September 30, 2014, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Thorin on September 30, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
Yeah, it's not just under my control.  I have in the past tried to be the parent that enforces the rules, but then the other parent doesn't and I end up the bad guy that everyone hates.  So I pick my battles.  Someday they'll have all moved out and I'll have carved out my own space that is tidy, and there'll be only the two of us creating mess so it'll be easier to jump on and clean up.

Ya unless both parents are following the same plan, change isn't possible.
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 30, 2014, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
That's true, I've seen the same thing in IT as well, things get rough and people fall back into bad habits.

At some point a team needs to address it and get back into good habits and start fresh again. Sadly, momentum doesn't drive itself (FU Newton!) and sometimes it takes substantial energy up front to bring things back on track.

Agreed, RESULTS drive results -- when someone is forced to follow a "new way" of doing things, their chance of sticking with it is increased GREATLY if that new way actually does do things better than their current (often "special to just them") way. If they get the same results, or better results, with this new way, they might even be willing to overlook a vastly different kind of THINKING required to follow the new process (until soon it becomes second nature). [Hey look, I am accidentally saying pretty much what I said about Windows 7 when I first started using it :lol: ... now that I have figured out how to use Windows 8 "fast enough" for most of my tasks I have accepted its different ways where they are strengths/better, and avoid those that are weaknesses/worse!]

Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
It's true, and if you drive yourself to use a process that forces you to track results, as agile does, you start to see the value.

I remember waterfall quite vividly and in general the result was "survival" to the next project. I couldn't see myself doing that for 20+ years, I'd either go insane or just become a "Wally"
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Thorin on September 30, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
It's true, and if you drive yourself to use a process that forces you to track results, as agile does, you start to see the value.

I remember waterfall quite vividly and in general the result was "survival" to the next project. I couldn't see myself doing that for 20+ years, I'd either go insane or just become a "Wally"

Or a Tim?
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: Thorin on September 30, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
It's true, and if you drive yourself to use a process that forces you to track results, as agile does, you start to see the value.

I remember waterfall quite vividly and in general the result was "survival" to the next project. I couldn't see myself doing that for 20+ years, I'd either go insane or just become a "Wally"

Or a Tim?

Wally is somewhat likeable...
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on September 30, 2014, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Analog on September 30, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
It's true, and if you drive yourself to use a process that forces you to track results, as agile does, you start to see the value.


And heck it doesn't even have to be very detailed "progress" that you track! One of the links/comments from that "21 days is a myth" article...

Quote from: Lazybones on September 30, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
http://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/hbrc/2012/06/29/busting-the-21-days-habit-formation-myth/
QuoteThe bottom line is: stay strong. 21 days is a myth; habit formation typically takes longer than that. The best estimate is 66 days, but it?s unwise to attempt to assign a number to this process. The duration of habit formation is likely to differ depending on who you are and what you are trying to do. As long as you continue doing your new healthy behaviour consistently in a given situation, a habit will form. But you will probably have to persevere beyond January 21st.

...mentioned a really simple method "Don't Break the Chain" -- based on just physically marking a visible "X" on a conspicuously placed calendar you see every day -- http://mikecooper.ca/build-habits-like-jerry-seinfeld/

And a similar kind of simplicity (where you are NEVER bogged down by keeping track of "details") can be applied to saving money -- http://mikecooper.ca/save-1400/
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on October 01, 2014, 09:19:28 AM
short video (book promo*, technically) that explains the NEUROSCIENCE behind [bad] habits...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0fTwtPLfo

* "understanding how habits work is the key to {exercising regularly, losing weight, raising exceptional children, becoming more productive, building revolutionary companies and social movements, and achieving success}"
http://charlesduhigg.com/the-power-of-habit/



Also here's a fascinating talk by Tim Ferriss (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?keywords=tim+ferriss) in May 2013 about accelerated learning (how to become "World Class" at something -- top 5% -- in 3 to 6 months) -- including a few of his own personal experiences in going well beyond what he expected his limits to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSq9uGs_z0E

In his talk Tim covers "DiSSS" to quickly acquire a new skillset, learn a new language, etc.
-Deconstruction (to identify why you might fail, before you start -- and then you can avoid or take away those failure points the first 5 sessions)
-Selection (identify the 20% of tools [or elements of the area of study] that produce 80%+ of results, focus on minimalism e.g. Axis of Awesome's "4 Chord Song")
-Sequencing (question the accepted order, e.g. work backwards, or examine from an uncommon perspective, or first try a skill with a "no-stakes" approach)
-Stakes (consequences -- whatever self-motivation works for you, an EXTREME example would be that "self-blackmail" episode of "Nathan For You" (http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/nathan-you-daddys-watchingparty-planner-207811) :) )
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on October 04, 2014, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: Lazybones on September 30, 2014, 03:02:37 PM

http://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/hbrc/2012/06/29/busting-the-21-days-habit-formation-myth/
QuoteThe bottom line is: stay strong. 21 days is a myth; habit formation typically takes longer than that. The best estimate is 66 days, but it?s unwise to attempt to assign a number to this process. The duration of habit formation is likely to differ depending on who you are and what you are trying to do. As long as you continue doing your new healthy behaviour consistently in a given situation, a habit will form. But you will probably have to persevere beyond January 21st.


Funny, that "66 days" rang familiar -- now I know why:
a previous RW thread New Year's Resolutions: How do you easily start good habits? (http://forums.righteouswrath.com/index.php/topic,9313.0.html)
Quote from: Darren Dirt on December 31, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
http://www.bakadesuyo.com/2012/12/last-damn-thing-new-years-resolutions/

^ a collection of wisdom from multiple experts. In brief...

...

it takes an average of 66 days to establish a new good habit.

...

(FASCINATING youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/AsapSCIENCE/videos )

and chasing down that "66 days" link source, it's from a 2011 book (now also in eBook format):
http://www.amazon.com/Help-Become-Slightly-Happier-More/dp/0857860267
Title: Re: Agile for kids/family
Post by: Darren Dirt on April 24, 2015, 03:15:24 PM
On the subject of human behavior, motivation/thinking/feeling, getting stuff done and done WELL, and more importantly heck let's shoot for the moon:
*Being Brilliant Every Day* -- Alan Watkins @ TED (44 minutes, worth it!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xc3XdOiGGI
http://www.complete-coherence.com/tedx/

Basically he talks about the PHYSIOLOGICAL basis for brain-not-working-good (he calls it "D.I.Y. Lobotomy"! ... And what to do about it -- i.e. train yourself and/or strive to consistently experience mental "coherence" http://www.complete-coherence.com/who-we-are/ (aka "Flow" or "In The Zone" -- ON DEMAND.)


(I really like the acronym/mnemonic at the end, something simple anyone has the power to do *at any time they decide to do it* -- to get away from the "right side", to "at least get to the midpoint" BREATHE = Breath Rhythmically Evenly & Through the Heart Everyday)



more AW:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmBJDLbajmNk0GzIKfA0YSA/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5z6lJ8qGesigDQpj0NFrA/videos