GT4 vs Forza Motorsports

Started by Melbosa, April 29, 2005, 02:07:29 PM

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Melbosa

April 29, 2005, 02:07:29 PM
 Here is a comparison article:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/588/588077p1.html

I've been playing some GT4 on my PS2.  And am going to have Forza to try this weekend.  Also I am getting a Video split screen comparison as I type this... will post a BitTorrent link once I have it downloaded.

Which do you think is better?
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Melbosa

#1
April 29, 2005, 02:11:20 PM
 Hmmm I think this is the video, just at lesser bit rate: http://msxbox-world.com/Forza_Vs_GT4.php
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Shayne

#2
April 29, 2005, 03:49:23 PM
 Firefox is telling me its an unknown plugin.  Post the torrent when you can.  Im curious to see it.

GT4 owned me bad for a week.  Im glad i only rented it as shaving, bathing and sex would have taken a back seat indefinatly.

Darren Dirt

#3
April 29, 2005, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: "Melbosa"Hmmm I think this is the video, just at lesser bit rate: http://msxbox-world.com/Forza_Vs_GT4.php
WOW.

Neat, to know the devs are that accurate for speed, track layout, even road texture :)

I think Forza earned the "Pole Position" overall... more realistic detail like tire marks on the road, a bit less blurry... But that's just IMHO.
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Melbosa

#4
April 29, 2005, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: "Shayne"Firefox is telling me its an unknown plugin.  Post the torrent when you can.  Im curious to see it.
Works fine in my Firefox.  It looks like its a Media Player 10 Video.
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Mr. Analog

#5
April 29, 2005, 10:17:17 PM
 I don't know, some of the comparisons seem to be saying the same thing, just one description gushes a bit more, for example:

Sense of speed comparison:
QUOTE (GT4)
While GT4 doesn't have the blurring at the edges that made playing Burnout 3: feel like the flesh was about to peel away from your skull it has a couple of other methods to bring the speedy sensations. The main sense of speed is done through the audio with the sound of air rushing by the car or the squeal of tires as the cars struggle to regain traction on the road. It's also helped by the firm pull of the steering wheel.

When we were screaming along in the Sauber Mercedes C9 in Nurburgring the Driving Force Pro made us feel every bump in the road even at blistering speeds. A slight deviation from perfectly straight and the wheel would tug to the left or right. Instead of just jamming on the gas and enjoying a leisurely straightaway the combination of the sound and the force feedback gives the feeling that you're strapped to a rocket and praying that the landing is a safe one. [/quote]
-No Burnout 3 blurring effects, check.
-Sense of speed through audio, check.
-Force feedback, check.
-Car handling changes at speed, check.

QUOTE (Forza)
Though I cannot say for sure whether Forza will top Burnout 3 as the fastest looking game on the planet, it's clear GT4 won't. That said, with all car games, switching camera angles makes a big difference in how gamers perceive speed, and it's no different in Forza. The fastest cars in MS's game, however, do freaking rip, even in this early preview build. The McLaren F1 GTR, the Ferrari 88 #IMSA 550, and the Dodge Viper are all astonishingly speedy.

Forza's sense of speed is felt most distinctly in the way the cars handle the road, with grip, cornering, weight transfer and a few other factors distinguishing the sense of speed most drastically. This is as opposed to graphic tricks such as blurring textures or creating wind trails creating a semi-false sense of speed. The preview build of Forza runs at about 30 FPS at best. Though the team originally said the final game will run at 60 FPS, this build does not reflect 60 FPS, and I expect the game to finally run at about 30 FPS. [/quote]
-Switching camera angles, check.
-Car handling changes at speed, check.
-No blurring, check.

The authors talk about the proposed framerate for a while but they don't really assciate that with the feeling of speed which makes me think they just added it to make the Forza block longer.

Look, I have no problems with Forza, I think it's good that the GT series is finally getting some decent competition, but this article seems more about trying to knock down the big dawg with no real hard details. Again, I use the block above because it's typical of other comparisons used later in the article, what makes one game feel speedier? How do the authors know the physics are better in one game than the other, are they race car drivers? Do they have PHDs in physics? Is one game more forgiving than the other?

The only thing that I got out of this article was that Forza will have multiplayer over Live! and that car damage is for sure in this game.

Other things I would have liked to have known include:
-Number & variety of tracks compared
-Number & variety of licensed autos
-Car customization (engine, drivetrain, brakes, tires, paint, etc, etc) compared
-Rally racing?
-Career mode options?
-Car acquisition?

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Melbosa

#6
April 30, 2005, 02:14:41 AM
 Just to be fair, at the time the article was written, Forza was still in early builds.  I just posted it cause it was the only one I could find in the quick 5 mins I looked for it.  I'm sure there are better comparisons out there.  I was more interested in what our members thought about the games themselves :D.
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Mr. Analog

#7
April 30, 2005, 02:21:44 AM
 I understand that, it's why the game is running at only 30 FPS, the music is unfinished and the screenshots look like ass.

I can appreciate the article to some degree, but the comparisons used were very lacking. It looks like it could be a contendah, however the reviewers in the article didn't really make it stand out all that well.

Again, from what I read the authors thought it was better but they couldn't really put it in quantifyable terms.
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Melbosa

#8
May 04, 2005, 08:24:09 AM
 Here's a more recent review and comparison (somewhat): http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/forza-motorsport/609599p1.html
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Mr. Analog

#9
May 04, 2005, 07:56:37 PM
 The AI and online parts sound intriguing, and the screenshots in this article are about 1x10e5 better otherwise it goes over the same points as the first;
  • Car damage
  • Online play
It's good that the XBox has a racer that finally stacks up to the GT dynasty.
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Lazybones

#10
May 05, 2005, 11:15:48 PM
 http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/forza...ox_review_image

Gamespot has a review up now as well.. They cover many things.



Shayne

#11
May 06, 2005, 08:11:53 AM
 After getting my profile up to 4 hours, i have to say its pretty impressive.

Car damage aspect adds a ton of depth that GT4 didnt have.  Smacking the wall doing 140mph and smashing in the front end causes stearing issues, grip issues, sometimes even engine issues.  Forces a more cautious driving style.

...a hint, start in Asia, the Honda Civic SiR can be boosted to over 350hp for under 10K, which makes the first levels very easy :P

Bryan

#12
May 06, 2005, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: "Mr. Analog"The AI and online parts sound intriguing, and the screenshots in this article are about 1x10e5 better otherwise it goes over the same points as the first;
  • Car damage
  • Online play
It's good that the XBox has a racer that finally stacks up to the GT dynasty.
I havent played GT4, but Ralleysport 2 I thought was an excellent game. Im not much into racing games.

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Lazybones

#13
May 18, 2005, 12:07:25 AM
 Only have an 1hr logged into my profile but I think I am hooked now. Damage adds a lot to the game, its fun compensating for the steering drag when you have slammed the corners one too many times.

Haven't got the car tweaking down yet, but there are some combinations that keep you within a class that give you a big edge thats for sure.

Managed to make my self a sleeper of sorts for one track, not much top end but I was out cornering the pack easy on the twisty course.

Lazybones

#14
May 18, 2005, 08:47:44 PM
 full car list

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8231&ngb2=oxy

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2004 Audi #8 24h N?rburgring TT-R
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2002 Chevrolet Lingenfelter 427 CID Twin Turbo Corvette
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2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT (Turbo)
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2003 Dodge SRT4
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2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
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