Griefing Servers

[Thorin]

Does anyone here play on servers that allow griefing?  Stewie started up a server recently (oh, about 36 hours ago now?).  Two of my kids joined up but the younger wasn't really into gathering materials and kept dying from monsters because he had no armour.  So I joined up and spent some time gathering resources for him.  We made sure to go way far away from spawn so people wouldn't bother us, then I made armour for both of them (and some other goodies) and left it in a chest.  I made sure to ask whether this was an everyone-for-themselves PvP server, or a cooperative server, and I got told cooperative so I left it at that.

Today he signed in and was trapped in a fenced-in wheat farm that I'd built.  He was in someone else's territory (in other words, there's a mod installed that lets people claim land and they somehow found our location and claimed what'd been built).  I'm sure they've taken all the stuff that was gathered and left for my kids.  If they'd said it was a griefing server, or that it was everyone for themselves, I would've made sure to hide everything or protect it by claiming land or something (or just carry it all around myself).

Anyway, I have no interest in letting my six year old guy get griefed; they'll constantly be stealing his stuff, since they're fifteen and sixteen year olds using hacks to fly and giving themselves emerald blocks within the first few hours the server's live.  Same with my eleven year old, although she can at least kind of defend herself (by hiding the stuff).

My first reaction on finding my little guy trapped and without the gear I made for him available was to want to just turn off the port forwarding.

[Mr. Analog]

I guess, it is PVP enabled / faction play (I mean the mod is there, so it's gonna get used for crap like this) you're going to get jerks. Like any online multiplayer game all it takes is one asshat to mess a game up.

If you get Stewie to make map backups on a schedule like Tom you should be able to roll back to previous save and revert any shenanigans. Of course if it persists you can use Player Edit to remove stuff for that player or just ban them outright.

Have Stewie give you Op status and de-op the jerks too, what's the point of playing SMP if you're just going to give yourself everything, go play Halo or something else lol.

[Thorin]

Yeah...  When I was on in the first 24 hours the server was live, there were a few of them that wanted to show me the new castle they'd built.  There was some mention of World Editing and using emerald blocks and of course they've already got a full set of diamond armour and Power 3 bows.  In other words, Stewie and his buddies are giving themselves whatever they want as if it's a creative server, while those not in the inner circle have to play SMP.  I've already had one chat with him about how that's basically cheating.

I thought I taught him better, but apparently all the complaining he did about other servers' admins being unfair made him think he should act just like them.

I'm not going to ask for map backups / rollbacks, I'm not letting a kid who can't read yet interact on a server with jerks.  I mean, at one point I actually had to point out that I was the admin's dad and that they should 1) watch their language 2) stop ganging up on this other kid that they'd invited and then killed over and over.

Seriously, it'd be so easy to just disable the port forwarding.

If the admins and their close friends followed the same rules as everyone else, then I might call in the Righteous Wrath posse to set it right   But they're not.  And it's exactly what he used to complain other admins did.

[Mr. Analog]

Yep, it never ceases to amaze me how many folks become the very thing they hate.

Now starting with just two sheep and a good sized wheat farm you can overload the server chunks they live in with a massive horde of animals, not that I've thought about doing such vile, despicable things

[Tom]

Yep, it never ceases to amaze me how many folks become the very thing they hate.

Now starting with just two sheep and a good sized wheat farm you can overload the server chunks they live in with a massive horde of animals, not that I've thought about doing such vile, despicable things

Muahahaha. I wonder how many sheep you can fit in a vault....

[Mr. Analog]

Yep, it never ceases to amaze me how many folks become the very thing they hate.

Now starting with just two sheep and a good sized wheat farm you can overload the server chunks they live in with a massive horde of animals, not that I've thought about doing such vile, despicable things

Muahahaha. I wonder how many sheep you can fit in a vault....

Lol! that's a great question!

What's the IP of that server? (J/K)

[Thorin]

If we were to do something that nasty, we'd have to find a way to keep all the rest of them off the server until we're done.

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For instance, by changing the external facing port so they can't connect unless they guess the correct port.

Geez, yesterday one of 'em jokingly but trollbaitingly asked me to tell 'em about life before the internet.  They don't realize their elders know a lot more than them.  Also, I corrected him; I'm younger than the internet, just older than the world wide web.  He didn't even know the difference.

[Mr. Analog]

Haha TNT for everyone! j/k

Ahh kids! Kids are hilarious.

[Thorin]

Did a little reading about the Factions mod.  You get 10 power points for each person in your faction at the start.  Each time a person dies, that person becomes less powerful, so gives you less than 10 power points.  They can go all the way to -10.  So if there's two players in your faction, the max power points you can have is 20 and the min is -20.  There are 8 factions with 11 total players, not more than 2 players in any faction.  4 of the 8 factions have 9,000 power points or more (remember, only up to 2 players in any of the factions, so they should only have up to 20 power points).  Pretty damn obvious who the buddies are.

Also, the faction that claimed the land my stuff was on has the _only_ person who visited me in it, an admin who _teleported_ to me.  So he used admin powers to find out where I was, then his faction (he and one other guy) cleared me out.  And as an admin he can just give himself whatever block he wants.  This was the kid that told me it was a cooperative server.  See, that's what's wrong with today's generation.

GET OFF MY LAWN

[Mr. Analog]

"Oops! I accidentally logged and blocked your IP"

*cough*

Anyway, whatta dick, people like that are going to be in for a rude awakening in the real world, that's for sure.

[Thorin]

lol

Some kid was asking some other kid to go advertise on other servers.  I said, "Or maybe don't advertise, because if this cuts into my bandwidth too much I'll just turn off the port forwarding."  The response, "You scare me person".  <fighting urge to change the port and get RW to set up a large faction...>

[Lazybones]

lol

Some kid was asking some other kid to go advertise on other servers.  I said, "Or maybe don't advertise, because if this cuts into my bandwidth too much I'll just turn off the port forwarding."  The response, "You scare me person".  <fighting urge to change the port and get RW to set up a large faction...>

Insomniacs vs kids with no responsibilities? Not sure who would win.

[Thorin]

Uhh, the insomniacs will know the port number, the kids with no responsibilities won't.  No contest.  When they figure it out, then the router mysteriously starts refusing incoming connections from certain IP addresses.  Technologically capable insomniacs for the win.

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Well, I heard a new term today, "Admin Shock" - it means when you first get admin privileges you go crazy and (ab)use it as much as possible.

[Mr. Analog]

lol

[Tom]

I repeat:

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA 

[Thorin]

So I spent over an hour traveling 10,000 blocks away from spawn so that no one would be even _remotely_ near me, I crossed 1,500 blocks of snow and 8,500 blocks of ocean.  Finally I found land, and lo and behold there's various trees, an Extreme Hills biome, cows, pig, sheep, chickens, lots of seeds coming from the grasses, wonderful.  So as I'm figuring out the exact dimension of a chunk that I want to claim for my faction, Stewie comes home.  I tell him my gripes about people taking stuff on a supposedly "coop" server, and I repeat my gripe about admins just poofing things out of thin air and generally doing things that regular folk can't do.  Within a minute he's teleported to me and is looking around at what I'm digging out.

<sigh>

It's way too easy for admins to find people.

Usamot was completely quiet, but at least I know my stuff won't be griefed and I don't have to immediately start building a stronghold "just in case".

Speaking of Usamot, Mr. A, you need to re-do your shipyard build, I want to go look at it

[Mr. Analog]

Even with creative it's going to be a day long project and I got other stuff cookin' at the moment.

:C

Report the user to your son, tell him the guy is being an asshole.

[Thorin]

Yeah, I think I just needed to bitch out loud at jerks.  Also, I really don't want my little guy on a griefing server, he has a hard enough time hanging onto his gear on Usamot (never mines, never smelts, loses his armor / weapons / tools when he dies; he's an explorer and used to playing creative where all blocks are available instantly).

We need to have some more planned online times or something.  Or maybe I just need to finish up my builds and post about them to drum up interest

[Thorin]

So 48 hours after the map went up, one guy had his admin privileges taken away because he was just /giving stuff instead of mining for it, then another guy got given admin privileges and he immediately set about /giving himself a ton of TNT blocks, placing them, and setting off a giant explosion - this resulted in a world reboot because the map was too laggy to use.  So I spent about 8 hours setting up a base and gathering lots of materials, then that got raided, then about 4 hours traveling 10,000 blocks from spawn and setting up another base and this time protecting it properly, and that's all for naught.  All because fifteen year olds don't understand the concept of Admins Have To Play Fair.

So now there's a new map and I set up a nice faction base 4,000 blocks from spawn; that took me probably 14 hours of play time.  Also, Stewie's learned to be very stingy with admin privileges for anyone, and the people that he does allow to admin all understand they need to be playing in Survival mode except when they're expressly helping a user with a problem.  He learnt that lesson pretty quickly, I was worried there was going to be a couple more world reboots before he caught on that real-life friends can turn into jerks online.

[Mr. Analog]

It's the old "power corrupts" thing, I'm guilty of it, it's pretty @%&#ing sad when it's destructive though. Ideally you don't need to op someone unless there are problems that need sorting out.

Making someone an Op for no reason is begging for abuse.

[Tom]

It's the old "power corrupts" thing, I'm guilty of it, it's pretty @%&#ing sad when it's destructive though. Ideally you don't need to op someone unless there are problems that need sorting out.

Making someone an Op for no reason is begging for abuse.

You ain't seen nothin yet.



MMUAHAHAHAHHAHA.

[Mr. Analog]

Hoo boy

[Thorin]

I'm proud of having built that damn airplane without using any op powers.  I used diamond tools to collect the wood and craft the portals and hallways in the Nether, and some of those diamonds were found using an ore-finding mod; I guess that's still somewhat cheating.  But I know I was offered op status and politely declined because I knew I'd just end up flying around.

[Mr. Analog]

Ooh that reminds me! I have to post the map we built at Fraga!

I made a kick ass skyscraper in less than 15 hours!

[Thorin]

I would love to see that.  I wonder if we're going to be able to port-forward to allow connection to "LAN" maps in the future...

[Mr. Analog]

I would love to see that.  I wonder if we're going to be able to port-forward to allow connection to "LAN" maps in the future...

I thought you could do that already?

[Thorin]

You can share single-player maps on the LAN by clicking the "Open to LAN" button.  I don't think it accepts connections from outside the LAN, though; I expect that you have to run the full server for that.  Who knows, maybe it _is_ possible to port-forward the default port (25565) to your computer so your buddy can join your LAN game from his house.

[Mr. Analog]

You can share single-player maps on the LAN by clicking the "Open to LAN" button.  I don't think it accepts connections from outside the LAN, though; I expect that you have to run the full server for that.  Who knows, maybe it _is_ possible to port-forward the default port (25565) to your computer so your buddy can join your LAN game from his house.

I think that's all it takes, it seems like all the files to run a server are created when you publish to LAN.